If only it would wither... Even a little bit.

It doesn't have to die but it could at least wither a bit.

Let me explain something to those whom may be still confused.

When I say, "Homosexuality is a taught thing" I am not referring to the gross action of taking an impressionable boy and illustrating the proper technique of inserting a penis.

When I say "taught" I refer to a desensitizing procedure.

Imagine, a child is born into a family that butchers animals for a living. A butcher is an honorable tradition but many find it horrific, even though they don't hesitate to purchase meat at the market.

Imagine this child, over the years is subjected to this, in spite of his hesitancy toward killing. Over time, the child is taught that its not so bad, and eventually the child either accepts this as fact, or grows up to not be a butcher.

This is how I envision homosexuality is passed on from one generation to the next. Again, it doesn't matter to me if you disagree, we are only discussing how I see this so you will understand exactly where I stand on the issue.

This desensitizing process is gradual. Over time, more and more generations see homosexuality in a less offensive way. In my time, and many before, there were far fewer accepting individuals as there is now.

Do you realize that this is the first generation that sees bi-sexual as a separate entity? That since they still like the opposite sex too, that they are not gay? Desensitizing has convinced these people that there is a difference somehow.

All the preceding generations say homosexuals as homosexuals. If you voluntarily have sex with your own gender, even once, you are gay. You may be a nonpracticing gay for a time, but you are still as gay as a full time person who has no incentive to seek out the opposite sex for any reason.

Bi-sexual is gay. There is no subtle shades of the position. You like your own gender part time or full time you are gay. end of story.

Anyway, I did not mean "taught" in a gross fashion. I imagine that there is a small percentage of that occurring, but by and large, I do not believe that grown gays are subjugating impressionable boys.

The only gross thing is your imagination, not mine.

Good, Orph.

Here's how sexuality is learned. Think of this scenario:

If there never was EVER such a thing as homosexuality and nobody even knew it was an option, then even if someone WAS predisposed to homosexuality in some genetic fashion, they would write it off as random unusual urges and say "hmm that was gross." then after the first few times of supressing the thoughts of attraction to those of the same sex, the urges would die. Without the preconcieved idea of homosexuality, it's literally unthinkable. We wouldn't even have homosexuality in the manner of animals.

Whether you like it or not, we ARE different from animals. Animals who engage in homosexual behavior are just horny and don't know the difference. Humans can always tell the difference when presented with the genitalia of thier prospective mate.

Nice.

I don't think there's "wrong" with it. Cassius makes a pivotal point.

So we can work out a deal about the dog, then?

Cassius: the main spread of AIDS and HIV is homosexual relations, in the US. Now, not ALL geyness hurts ALL people. But it's the same concept as banning guns because SOME people have accidents with them. I'm really not FOR the banning of either homosexuality OR guns, but you can't claim that homsexuality doesn't hurt people, because it does hurt some.

Necrophilia doesn't hurt anyone. Bestiality only hurts people when the horse kicks them.

Actually, they've debunked that theory. But it would serve them right... monkey-effers.

Heterosexual sex only hurts young girls who lie about thier age so they can sleep with the high-school football captain.

These horses are dead then? Necrophilia isn't sexual attraction to animals.

Also "homosexuality is the main spread of HIV in the US" - reports/facts/figures to back this up?

I'd wager unprotected heterosexual sex is, and/or sharing needles in drug abuse.

This thread is complete and utter rubbish, i'd just like to say.

consider fat people. fat to the extent that they have trouble reaching around to wipe their own arse.

now, we were all born with a natural desire to eat, so we could all be fatties, but i get the impression that most of the posters here would understand were i to say that the thought of sex with one was repulsive to me. sexy and fat are two words that i'd put together much less often than repulsive and fat.

so, bearing that in mind, what's so hard to accept about Orph's opinion on gays? ok, so some people are born that way, just like some people are born to be fat, but i'm still not going to have sex with a fatty, no matter how natural their condition is.

apologies to any gay fatties

I think, what bothers me most about this:

The world sucks. Thats the bottom line. Nothing is ever going to change that aspect but, you can minimize the impact in some ways. Putting homosexuality aside for the moment, but keep in mind that I am indeed still talking about it as well, The world picks on "different" people. Thats a hardship that is never going to change. Case in point:

I would consider myself stereotypical normal. If you looked up normalcy in some book, I would fall somewhere in the mainstream definition. The problem is, I being normal, get picked on constantly because I dislike abnormal. It is becoming more and more of a hostile action to dislike abnormalcy.

Now think about that a few minutes. In another decade or two, the rolls will completely swap sides to where if you do not accept all abnormal concepts, then YOU are the new abnormalcy.

What chaps my ass is that no one seems to want to accept that being free to be "different" has a price. It might be a small price in some regions. It might be a stiff penalty in others.

My son for example. He has ear rings in many locations on his body. He must have 8 or 10 visible to the naked eye alone. He gripes all the time that 1) no one will take him seriously. and 2) that he cannot find nothing but s**t jobs.

I tell him constantly "Lose the faggot ear rings. If you want to be treated with respect and be able to apply and receive better jobs, show some respect for yourself"

He tells me that its not fair. He should not be penalized for his choice of attire (<--Spelled wrong methinks)

I ask him "Why do you wear them if you know that they will cause you this problem you complain about?"

His responses usually follow this line of thinking: "I should be allowed to. End of story" or "I do it for the shock value" ( This he says most often... Shock value. )

In the end, he doesn't want to pay the price for his actions.

I know, that in a perfect world, no one would ever dream of picking on strangeness but the sad fact is, IT HAPPENS SO DEAL WITH IT!!!

I have to deal with people looking down there noses every day for my narrow views. I could keep my mouth shut and avoid the ridicule, but thats not how I wish to live.

I am just as proud of my normalcy, as anyone else is about their differences.

Try walking in my shoes before you condemn my viewpoint, or the right to even have it.

I will prolly live to see the day where my views are the new strangers.

In the end Monkee... Friendships last just as long as one of the parties still wants it to. If my narrow views bother you to the point of wanting to not be friends anymore, thats your call. I will remain faithful to our past, and what I considered to be "Friends"