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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 3rd at 10:29pm 2006

I doubt that its possible to recoup losses incurred but, companies like the one producing DNF hardly depend on the sales or losses of one game to measure "Profits"

DNF will prolly never regain its investment dollars but, then again, games/prices/sales are higher now than they were in the 90's. Its conceivable that they might break even.

You also know as well as I that sales depend on hype, as much as content quality.

I doubt seriously that your average Joe is interested as much in DNF quality as its legend. Everyone is going to want bragging rights to their copy of a legend. Duke may not be the stuff of legends, but the game sure is.

As for the moot discussion over its engine use, I am willing to put that on hold, but I bet its going to be U2 not U3. There is simply no profit in delaying a total revamp yet again.





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Posted by ReNo on Wed May 3rd at 10:45pm 2006

I'm convinced it will be a proprietary engine personally, but hey, who knows eh? image

Games companies rely on sales from a single game more than you know - development studios normally only work on one title at a time and if it flops, that can spell disaster. You any idea how many development studios close down a year? It's ridiculous, and really rather terrifying image It may not be so bad for the publisher who has a portfolio of games out per year, but developers spending a couple of years on a project (typically) only to end up not breaking even often end up disbanding.

Game prices might have risen a bit over the years, but then so have development costs. Dev teams are typically 50-100 people large these days, so a 2 year project costs a lot in staff payroll and other overheads (eg. the big bloody office!). Then of course there is licensing the tech (eg. UE3, Havok, Speedtree, Renderware) and tools. After a 10 year development cycle, I find it pretty hard to believe that DNF will make a penny for 3D Realms.

I think your average joe doesn't even know Duke Nukem Forever exists, and as such will judge it on the marketing it recieves. Its the hardcore - the people "into" PC gaming in a big way - that will buy it regardless for it's history.



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Posted by Crono on Wed May 3rd at 10:48pm 2006

Games are a bit cheaper now than they were in the 90s ... the 90s was the only decade that had games on average costing well over $70. (MKII was $80, I remember) When the N64 and PSX were introduced games started going down in price, then back up where everything sort of leveled off at $50. It's stayed that way for awhile now, except now they're getting cheaper, new games on average cost about $40 now. Which isn't too bad.

There's also plenty of good titles for $20 and Special Editions for over $60. It's much more diverse than it was.

Also, a PC gaming maket didn't really take hold until late 90s. So, maybe you're talking about the bargain bins at EggHead software where you could buy Duke Nukem 2 for $3. Then get home and not be able to play it because you had a Low Desnity Floppy Drive. Dammit, I hated second hand computers when I was younger.


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Posted by Agent Smith on Thu May 4th at 12:58am 2006

Except for xbox 360 games, which on average are $120 AU, breaching the magic $100 mark. The only main stream game (that I can remember) to do this in the past has been Enter the Matrix, which was $110. We might see a trend in games increasing in price, at least for the latest consoles.


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Posted by half-dude on Thu May 4th at 1:25am 2006

I personally think this game looks awsome! I mean it looks so big and vast esspecially in that part were you are flying around. Besides I love alien races that inslave and conqure other races, why do you think I love the Irkens so much.


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Posted by French Toast on Thu May 4th at 2:16am 2006

Indeed AS, 70 bucks before taxes here. THe newest releases on PC games are only 60, and then usually drop to 50 after a few weeks.




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Posted by Crono on Thu May 4th at 2:22am 2006

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Except for xbox 360 games, which on average are $120 AU, breaching the magic $100 mark. The only main stream game (that I can remember) to do this in the past has been Enter the Matrix, which was $110. We might see a trend in games increasing in price, at least for the latest consoles.


Most 360 games here are $50-$60 USD

All prices I mention are USD, also, if there was any confusion there for anyone.


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Posted by ReNo on Thu May 4th at 2:46am 2006

Wow, thats fairly cheap! 360 games in high street shops are ?40-50 in the UK at the moment. I remember a lot of N64 games came out at ?50 quite some time ago, so it doesn't seem a horrendous price to charge in my opinion. There are exceptions though, some games just don't justify the price tag, particularly ports of games that are already budget on other platforms (eg. Gun, Burnout Revenge). At least FFXI has the decency to come out at a reasonable price ?30 for the game with all 3 addon packs and a free month? However you might feel about FFXI going to the 360, you can't grumble at the price!



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Posted by Crono on Thu May 4th at 3:06am 2006

I guess we do have it good image

Most games are seriously like $40 here. 360 is just new, I'm sure the prices will go down. I know used 360 games were like $30 and stuff the week the damn thing came out. (Saw CoD2 and Gun a couple times used)

The used prices were from a (now non-existant image) local game shop. Which had beautiful prices. They didn't price gouge.

Just a note, I looked it up and most 360 games are actually $60 new. But that's still far cheaper than the conversion. 50 pounds ~= $92 USD, for anyone too oblivious to look it up. (and $110 AU ~= $84 USD)


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