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Posted by reaper47 on Mon May 15th at 5:36pm 2006


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But I'm at least hoping it will be better than XP (not that there's a whole lot wrong with XP SP2). Just turn off the Aero theme. Aero = useless crap. Same with Luna. (I run the windows classic theme btw)


Yea, those shine surfaces just try hide the fact it's Windows 95 with a few bug-fixes and updates. (I run classic too) I think I wont come around purchasing Vista eventually. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon May 15th at 7:48pm 2006


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by the way has anybody seen this one?

Heavy rain

Looks like an art piece, but the model and animations are absolutely unreal.Go to Gametrailers.com and look up Heavy Rain. Outside links apparently are verboten.

http://www.gametrailers.com

heavy rain



Aside from the mouth issues, I have to say I was very impressed, for one reason.

I actually felt very uncomfortable towards the end of the trailer, during the part where she had the gun to her head. I actually put my hand over the screen in case she decided to blow her brains out, and I've never had that discomfort while playing/watching a videogame before. Usually, videogame violence seems like a joke, whereas movie violence makes me squeemish. This game trailer finally bridged the emotinonal gap between games and movies for me. It's a direction that I believe games have been travelling for years now, but this is the first trailer that actually ellicited a cinemaesque human-response from me.




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Posted by reaper47 on Tue May 16th at 1:09pm 2006


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I've never had that discomfort while playing/watching a videogame
before. Usually, videogame violence seems like a joke, whereas
movie violence makes me squeemish. This game trailer finally
bridged the emotinonal gap between games and movies for me. It's
a direction that I believe games have been travelling for years now,
but this is the first trailer that actually ellicited a cinemaesque
human-response from me.


I felt the same when the bad guy shot the hostage in the head in the intro of Soldier of Fortune. I think it has more to do with story and direction than tech detail.




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Posted by French Toast on Tue May 16th at 8:27pm 2006


Don't know, I didn't feel it. The voice sounded all off and she looked incredibly bad.

I have been thoroughly unimpressed.




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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Wed May 17th at 1:55am 2006


re: Heavy Rain - Technically, it has very high production values, and the artists clearly have talent... but something's off, I'm not sure what it is, but it makes the woman's face incredibly disturbing. She's like a reanimated corpse, something not quite human but also something not quite digital either. I saw another forum refer to the uncanny valley, which I agree with.

So to sum up: I think it looks really great and convincing at some parts (mostly when she's crying and such), but looks terrible during the rest (especially the audition scenes, ugh!).




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Posted by Finger on Wed May 17th at 3:46am 2006


You've hit the nail on the head. The 'uncanny valley' syndrome is very obvious with alot of the 'next gen' games and even animated films like the first Final Fantasy movie. Honestly, I think this kind of problem will eventually be dealt with in the same fashion that say, textures, are dealt with nowdays. At some point, people realized that hand drawing realistic textures was just not the optimal approach - hence, photo-reference. People got good at manipulating raw image of actual things. Games will probably end up doing the same thing, with the little nuances of emotion being captured from real actors and mapped onto 3d characters (similar to the way Kong was created). Right now, there are some procedural methods, like the way Valve did their lip-sync, but even that is far from perfect. Imagine if you could project even the tiniest facial twitch from your face, to a 3d model. This is the kind of technology we need to bridge the uncanny valley. In the end, though, it all comes down to actors or animators giving performances and breathing life into the characters - the way it always has.

Btw - I was moved by this performance and am excited to see what becomes of the project. Indigo Prophecy was a very interesting game.





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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Wed May 17th at 5:14am 2006


I don't even think this is uncanny valley - the mouth is just terribly done. Valve's stuff looked way more natural and was actually timed correctly - I think if they just up the mouth detail to match the jump on the character and actually bother syncing the damn thing it could turn out looking really nice. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> The rest of the content has just enough of a digital style to it that it looked great - I froze one frame where she wasn't talking and it looked fantastic.

...of course, knowing this is from the indigo prophecy guys makes me lose all interest - only game (save for battlefield 2) in the last 10 years or however long that I've wanted to dump in the trash, and that was only partway into the pretentious "I'm your director for your interactive movie, look at me!" tutorial. :-



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Posted by Crono on Wed May 17th at 5:34am 2006


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...of course, knowing this is from the indigo prophecy guys makes me lose all interest - only game (save for battlefield 2) in the last 10 years or however long that I've wanted to dump in the trash, and that was only partway into the pretentious "I'm your director for your interactive movie, look at me!" tutorial. :-


Did you play any of the Matrix games?

If you want a terrible game that came out the same year: Brothers in Arms was a piece of s**t. Really beautiful game(s), god awful game mechanics. How many shots to the head does it really take to kill a Nazi? Seriously. I know it's less than 6. I would throw that game in the trash, light the trash on fire, then piss it out before I even thought of selling Indigo Prophecy.



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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Wed May 17th at 5:58am 2006


See, Brothers in Arms I loved, and I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment. :P Though they've taken care of that pesky shooting issue for this one.

Didn't touch any of the Matrix games, so that worked out well, too. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Thu May 18th at 7:09pm 2006


interesting read here, seems i certainly forgot about the little guys...lol

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12833951/

battlefield 2142 anybody??

Doc B...





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Posted by pepper on Thu May 18th at 7:48pm 2006


I'm quite excited about the new FSX screenshots myself, looks like they tryed to give the airfiles for helo's more attention and finaly have mission based interaction with the scenery.



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