This is hardly the time or place to be bad mouthing his mod Yak.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by ReNo on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:10am 2006
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Posted by ReNo on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:10am 2006
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Andrei on Sat Jun 3rd at 1:13pm 2006
Posted by Andrei on Sat Jun 3rd at 1:13pm 2006
I'm sorry, but after reading
I can't really think of anything nice or even vaguely nice to say about the deceased.
Ok, I understand, you've got problems and you want to take the easy way out because no-one else in the universe has it worse than you do, but, damn...gassed himself?! I feel more sorry for his family.
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the man had taken a charcoal grill into the bathroom and started a fire.
I can't really think of anything nice or even vaguely nice to say about the deceased.
Ok, I understand, you've got problems and you want to take the easy way out because no-one else in the universe has it worse than you do, but, damn...gassed himself?! I feel more sorry for his family.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sat Jun 3rd at 5:30pm 2006
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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sat Jun 3rd at 5:30pm 2006
No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Spartan on Sat Jun 3rd at 6:05pm 2006
Posted by Spartan on Sat Jun 3rd at 6:05pm 2006
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No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.
So the discussion becomes pointless when your no longer allowed to spam in it?
Quite frankly I'm disgusted by a few of your opinions. The guy killed himself and we don't have a right to decide the weight of his life through his actions. We don't know what his life was like, we don't know if he had a psychological disorder, we don't know anything about him. Yes there are others out there with far off worse situations than him but everyone handles life differently and suicide doesn't make someone a coward. You can't really judge the guy unless you are in his shoes. I'm sympathetic because I know what it's like to be on the edge of suicide, and it's not pretty. Some might call me a coward for thinking about suicide but they don't have a clue what was going on in my head, same for him.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Andrei on Sat Jun 3rd at 7:13pm 2006
Posted by Andrei on Sat Jun 3rd at 7:13pm 2006
I suppose that by saying that you're disgusted by "a few of your
opinions" you actually mean mine.
In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head. Most fall into an intense state of self-pity and refuse to realise that they alone are the ones who have the power to drag themselves out of it. But, hey, this happens to everyone sooner or later. Some hit the bottle and eventually become chronically depressed alcoholics. And a tiny number of them fall so deep into the state of mind they've pushed themselves into that they attempt to kill themselves, convinced that they no longer have a purpose or that they are beyond help. Some do indeed suffer from some mental disorder, but they're not as numerous as the self-pity ones. I'm not talking out of my ass here, like I usually do. You say you know how these people feel.� I know people like these too.
In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head. Most fall into an intense state of self-pity and refuse to realise that they alone are the ones who have the power to drag themselves out of it. But, hey, this happens to everyone sooner or later. Some hit the bottle and eventually become chronically depressed alcoholics. And a tiny number of them fall so deep into the state of mind they've pushed themselves into that they attempt to kill themselves, convinced that they no longer have a purpose or that they are beyond help. Some do indeed suffer from some mental disorder, but they're not as numerous as the self-pity ones. I'm not talking out of my ass here, like I usually do. You say you know how these people feel.� I know people like these too.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:01pm 2006
In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head.
Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy, sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only one way out of your head.
but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.
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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:01pm 2006
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In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head.
Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy, sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only one way out of your head.
but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:07pm 2006
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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sat Jun 3rd at 11:07pm 2006
? quoting Spartan
? quoting Yak_Fighter
No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.
So the discussion becomes pointless when your no longer allowed to spam in it?
Quite frankly I'm disgusted by a few of your opinions. The guy killed himself and we don't have a right to decide the weight of his life through his actions. We don't know what his life was like, we don't know if he had a psychological disorder, we don't know anything about him. Yes there are others out there with far off worse situations than him but everyone handles life differently and suicide doesn't make someone a coward. You can't really judge the guy unless you are in his shoes. I'm sympathetic because I know what it's like to be on the edge of suicide, and it's not pretty. Some might call me a coward for thinking about suicide but they don't have a clue what was going on in my head, same for him.
Yes, the discussion is pointless for the very reasons you posted, but durrr I'm spamming. Nobody knows much about this person, his life, or his reasons for taking his life, but that doesn't stop every single person waxing poetic on their personal opinions about suicide, something that is heavily shaped by individual experiences and deep seated religious or spiritual beliefs. Arguing about it only causes misunderstandings and hurt feelings, and absolutely nothing positive is gained by doing so. Noone will change their opinions on this because of words on the internet.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Spartan on Sun Jun 4th at 2:20am 2006
Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy, sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only one way out of your head.
but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.
Posted by Spartan on Sun Jun 4th at 2:20am 2006
? quoting DrGlass
? quote:
In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head.
Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy, sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only one way out of your head.
but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by DrGlass on Sun Jun 4th at 4:40pm 2006
99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
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Posted by DrGlass on Sun Jun 4th at 4:40pm 2006
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Noone will change their opinions on this because of words on the internet.
99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by reaper47 on Sun Jun 4th at 6:14pm 2006
Posted by reaper47 on Sun Jun 4th at 6:14pm 2006
The internet, especially personal opinions, like you read them in forums are no more less a source of information or shaping your few than any other place. Sometimes you just talk about stuff for no reason, just because it bothers you. And the product of all the talk and thinking shows much later (or never) in places you'd never expected.
If someone is taking his own life for whatever reason it bothers me. It happens, it's part of this world but where does it fit in my view of the world. I don't enjoy thinking about it but I do.
Something that came to my mind thinking about wheter suicide is a psychological disorder or just a panicky reaction was that it's always bound to a long-term thought and the awareness of death. It's a result of conciousness. An animal could never commit suicide. Neither could a small kid. It has to be planned. I find that rather intersting. Maybe it's just intelligence going in a wrong circle. Weird.
If someone is taking his own life for whatever reason it bothers me. It happens, it's part of this world but where does it fit in my view of the world. I don't enjoy thinking about it but I do.
Something that came to my mind thinking about wheter suicide is a psychological disorder or just a panicky reaction was that it's always bound to a long-term thought and the awareness of death. It's a result of conciousness. An animal could never commit suicide. Neither could a small kid. It has to be planned. I find that rather intersting. Maybe it's just intelligence going in a wrong circle. Weird.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Jun 6th at 4:06am 2006
Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Jun 6th at 4:06am 2006
Andrei, there was a little article about some actress in Time magazine the other day that talked about her coming out about being sexually abused by her uncle when she was 5 years old. It took her 30 years to come out about the sexual abuse, and the reason she finally revealed her secret, was because the same uncle sexually abused another little girl and in order for a case to be made against this uncle the actress had to testify. Anyway, this little girl was raped and sexually abused by her uncle between the ages of 5 and 14. At 14 she killed herself. The only reason I'm bringing this story up is because it seems to me this girl's problems weren't all in her head at all. I'm wondering, what do you think the girl should have done instead? Was suicide justifiable in her case? Would anyone be able to understand why she took her life?
99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
I agree 100%
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99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
I agree 100%
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Jun 6th at 4:31am 2006
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Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Jun 6th at 4:31am 2006
I'm sorry he did this 
He was great person to work with, and he always made you feel good when you contributed something.
Deeper thoughts for me follow as this: I'm a Roman Catholic. My religion believes in heaven and in hell: I believe that our religion feels that intentional suicide is a mortal sin, and thus, you (I say "you" in the most general and vague way out there. I am not attempting to force my beliefs upon anyone) wind up in hell.
Now, I know that probably sounds very nuts-and-bolts, like it's some sort of hard-boiled system that can be cheated, if you know what you're doing. But I feel that if Nickster truly wanted to find out if there was an after life, then he should have just lived out his life. Commiting suicide certainly didn't help him, if hell does exist.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 6th at 10:07am 2006
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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 6th at 10:07am 2006
People. There is "Truth" and "Tact"
Perhaps some of you need look up the tact bit?
I am 100% for a debate about suicide, but having it within a mourning thread EVEN ONE about someone we know absolutely nothing about is bordering on criminal.
You know me, I am all for freedoms of speech but... Please think about it.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Gwil on Tue Jun 6th at 10:53am 2006
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Posted by Gwil on Tue Jun 6th at 10:53am 2006
Well said Orpheus.
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Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Spartan on Tue Jun 6th at 10:54am 2006
Posted by Spartan on Tue Jun 6th at 10:54am 2006
? quoting Addicted to Morphine
Andrei, there was a little article about some actress in Time magazine the other day that talked about her coming out about being sexually abused by her uncle when she was 5 years old. It took her 30 years to come out about the sexual abuse, and the reason she finally revealed her secret, was because the same uncle sexually abused another little girl and in order for a case to be made against this uncle the actress had to testify. Anyway, this little girl was raped and sexually abused by her uncle between the ages of 5 and 14. At 14 she killed herself. The only reason I'm bringing this story up is because it seems to me this girl's problems weren't all in her head at all. I'm wondering, what do you think the girl should have done instead? Was suicide justifiable in her case? Would anyone be able to understand why she took her life?
99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
? quoting DrGlass
99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking to ourselves?
I agree 100%
I was going to bring up something similar earlier but it seems the forum deleted what I said and just left the quote.
As far as changing opinions go, I must be part of that small 1%. I believe I'm an entirely different person now than I was just a year ago, and these forums have a part in that change. However it's never good to simply change one's opinion because another sounds better. If we did that we'd all be the sheep to big media.
Re: Goldeneye Source Mod Leader
Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Tue Jun 6th at 11:19am 2006
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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Tue Jun 6th at 11:19am 2006
Let the poor man be already...
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