Religion cannot ever be brought into the school system. I am sorry to say that but its a fact that cannot be overlooked.

The reason is, religion is to subjectmental to the whims of the teachers background. Religion would NEVER be taught as an unbiased extension of "Learning"

In the south, baptist reign. In the south that religion would be predominant. Up north, another type would be. See my point?

Religion should be taught fundamentally. Not ever turned into an extension of the local church.

I have voted against religion in school so often that its sickening that these assholes cannot see that its NOT GOIN TO PASS!!

Unless ALL aspects, both good and bad are taught, I say NO f**kIN WAY BUCKO's!

No. It wouldn't.. Fiction would go against the belief system of the ones who think its true.

If it were taught as an extension of HISTORY, then I'd be happy. The point is, the teachers pick "which" history instead of "ITS" history.

See my point?

[edit] TBH, I cannot stand all this crap NickelPlate writes about but I would never dream of forbidding it from happening. His kind of belief makes me ill. I have met far to many people like him but the point is, they have all the right in the world to believe HOW they see fit.

I cannot imagine myself ever forbidding someone their voice.

But treating it any OTHER way would go against the ones who DONT beleive it. no matter what you do, you will always disagree with someone. If not, you're just a wishy-washy yes-man.

You're just upset because someone has come up with a perfectly logical way of beleiving. You want to beleive that there is nothing to what we say, you want to beleive that we are all stupid following-sheep, but now that there is logic and reason to what we beleive, you just have to get upset. How impotent.

You know that you can not deny anyone thier voice NOW because that would make you a hypocrite. I do thank your majesty for so graciously allowing one such as me to speak freely.

Before someone falsely assumes that I am once again picking on Nickel, let me explain that its not him, but ALL religious nuts. There is no singling out process. And yes, its pretty nutty to constantly drone on and on. (case in point.. image sizes) No one seems to hesitate to think "Dammit won't he ever stop whining"

So yeah, I have some insight on nuts.

The main point I cannot tolerate is when people assume that "Religious=good" and as such, no one can possibly complain about a "good" thing.

This is an absolutely horrible way to determine what you will ignore.

Meat is considered by most to be good, but I doubt that a vegetarian would like someone to drone on incessantly about the virtues of eating animals. Ice cream is good, if you ignore the lactose intolerant among us. Honey suckle smells great but be forced to smell it all day and see if you can stand it.

The point is, when you cannot see the warning signs, which in this case is the constant droning about the virtues of faith, then you really need to wake up.

Religion has its perks. Even I see them but they are far from good enough to go on about every single post. Even every 10th post would be far to often. No other subject known to be posted here has so many entries.

Yes, I can ignore them for a while. We all can but the signs are there, heed them.

Orpheus, we all know there are good and bad things about religion, just as there are good and bad things about anything else.

The difference is that religion has been crammed down so many people's throats for so long that they just want to be free of it and all the annoyances associated with it. Nobody wants to be told how to live by someone they don't trust. If you don't beleive in God, why the heck would you want to do what he says, right? I mean look at the child-molesting priests, the killers claiming that "God told them to kill," the nuts bombing abortion clinics with signs that say "thou shallt not kill."

There are lots of times when you see the imperfect people who represent God, and you don't see any good in religion. I understand it, beleive me; I'm disgusted with plenty of my fellow beleivers. I guess my whole point is, many times it takes a lot of effort on your part to be able to beleive in God. It took me 15 years to get to this point of strength in my faith.

Which brings me to another point. After 15 years of searching and researching (although the first few were as a child) it is just a bit insulting when some... guy tries to write you off as a psycho who beleives in fairies and unicorns.

For all I know, this guy is just going off of the Ned Flanderses and religious nuts he sees on TV. Now I know Orpheus has had a bit more experience than that, but some of our younger members seem to just hear something from some propaganda source and repeat it. That should not be enough to invalidate someone's life's work.

I have a brother. He had (its assumed had) a serious drug problem. He nearly died from it.

Some nutcase turned him onto God. Do you know what its like to have to force him to stop preaching? I cannot be nice and say "Matt, give it a rest today please" or " Matt, did'ja hear the one about..."

He just cranks it up to the next level. Because he had no will power when it came to drugs, it seems that he has no will power where it comes to politeness either.

He literally cannot comprehend someone not associating "Religion=good"

*sighs*

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Nickel, his conviction is every bit as strong as yours and, he has 10 times more motivation to succeed at his vocation. Can you not wonder why I get annoyed?

As far as your propaganda theory, I see no signs of it. In fact I notice many points to the contrary. There is a church literally on every street corner and those damnable crosses on every hilltop.

America is so horribly engrossed on this now.

/rant

I'll stand back and let a believer certify my words on the crosses and churches then.

There isn't any way they could fib about it I mean and then it will look more like what I said.

You can truly go to some towns and have a church on every corner... Let me rephrase that, "You can stand on certain corners and have a church on the others across from you on each of the other three." I didn't mean that to say that if your town had 100 corners it would have 100 churches. " SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">

As for the crosses. It seems that every town in America has those 3 wooden constructs now.

I think what bothers me most about them is, if every other religion picked a hilltop one of two things would happen.

1) we'd have millions of symbols.
2) the Christians would revolt and cause a stink. (It seems that only Christian crosses are permitted)

I don't fault the intentions 'Keet but, he's the one doing the penance not I. If only there was an off button.

The way I see it, it was his fault he got into drugs, he is the only one who should pay the piper.