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Posted by reaper47 on Wed Jun 14th at 4:03pm 2006

To be honest, Orpheus, I thought the thread was pretty much on topic till the end. People explaining why they don't believe, people saying they couldn't imagine a life without, God-proving theory and the fanatism it involves, reasons for why people believe in god. I thought it was pretty interesting.

Anyway, I'm outta here.



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Posted by BlisTer on Wed Jun 14th at 10:05pm 2006

? quoting Orpheus

...have control enough to alter...

as illustrated, if a topic is valuable for atleast 1 respected member, then who are we to alter/ban that topic out of personal preference




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Posted by DrGlass on Thu Jun 15th at 2:17am 2006

If you don't want to talk about something, and don't have the will power to follow through I would classify that as a personal problem.

but I don't want to give anyone the satisfaction of derailing this otherwise interesting thread and I beg others who care/don't care to respect the community as a whole by keeping "on topic."


I'll call myself an Atheist. I do this because what seems to stone wall most debate in the real world is people's overanalyse of nouns and adjectives. For instance, nickel calls himself a Christan, but backs it up with a detailed example of what it is to be a Christan (in his opinion). What tends to happen is the word "christian" is picked apart rather than his interpretation of this. [I use nickel in a hypothetical example]

On that note; how do I go on through life without a "goal" like god or afterlife? Well I do have a goal, and I feel that most people, if not everyone has goals. If your goal is to live a life fit for the afterlife or make a million dollars, its all the same kind of long term goal. With out a goal in life there isn't much to live for. For some, I suppose, the goal is just to live till tomorrow.

My goal is to understand this world with 100% accuracy. The best way to do that is live for a long time, collect evidence, figure it all out. To live a long time I need not to die, so I try not to die everyday. To collect evidence I experience life. Again something I try and do everyday.

ya know, in fact... I have the opposite view on "will to live" I see the religious and think "why would they care about staying alive?" If I knew there was a really nice afterlife god knows I'd be running around risking my life (far more than I already do) because I'd have a soft place to go if I died.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Jun 15th at 2:29am 2006

? quoting DrGlass

My goal is to understand this world with 100% accuracy.

May you reach your goal. And may nothing be as it now seems.




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Posted by Stadric on Fri Jun 16th at 7:06pm 2006

Ok, I really don't have time to read the remaining page and a half of large posts, because i need to go to the dentist soon. I just want to say why I believe in God, and also why I believe religion is private/personal/subjective/etc.
Here's a paraphrase for CS Lewis, the theologian and author.

"What makes us do what we are doing today? What we did yesterday. Events are caused by events, which are caused by events, which are caused by events. But what caused the first event?"



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Posted by French Toast on Fri Jun 16th at 7:45pm 2006

A giant ball of gas and dust.



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Posted by Loco on Fri Jun 16th at 10:17pm 2006

...and what caused the giant ball of gas and dust...? <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

This process could go on for some time...


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Posted by Juim on Fri Jun 16th at 11:03pm 2006

? posted by Loco

...and what caused the giant ball of gas and dust...?

Aye! theres the rub!. It's either by design or purely coincidental that we dont have a tangible starting point. Given our history, what would we as a race do with the answer to the great why?

The chicken or the egg?

Go figure.

Maybe God does have a sense of humor, or maybe it's just us.

Maybe the universe is automatic, and as a result we, as humans, find irony and purpose in the most basic of un-answered questions, as is natures design.

People mingle this most sought after event with religion and say it's "faith" that fills in the gap.

Scientists discover this most undiscoverable moment and say "The answers out there, just give us time."

Either way it's faith you see.

Faith in knowing that events cause events, this is a given.

Human nature is a given,(although wholy unrecognized by most humans with regaurd to their behaviour......more irony).

In my opinion, your best bet is to be the best kind of person you know how to be. This will insure your having the most of a go at life. God may be there, or may not. Your beliefs should not infringe upon anothers basic rights. The way I see it, if you believe or don't, according to christian doctrine, the life you've lived will determine your afterlife.

P.S. I am the son of a minister...more irony?.

Go figure.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jun 17th at 4:42am 2006

God does have a sense of humor... have you seen what French Toast looks like IRL? (jk)

But in all seriousness, Juim. How do you figure that your actions determine your afterlife? One of the whole points of Christianity is that "I am the way, the truth, and the Light; No one comes to the father except through me." (Jesus said that) and that we cannot be saved by works alone, but by faith.

I'd like to know what makes you think that, If you don't mind sharing.




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Posted by Stadric on Sat Jun 17th at 7:56pm 2006

Being a more learned Catholic, I know of a lesser-known tenent of Catholic doctrine: baptism by desire. In layman's terms, it means that if you are unaware of God, but if you had been aware of him, you would've been a full-fledged believer, you're still in the running for heaven. People raised as athiests or who became athiests later because of any reason involving misinformation aren't secluded from heaven, if they are truly good people, what (G)god wouldn't let them in?

Common example: if (insert religion here) is universal, and anyone can be saved through it, how does that help bands of people who can't come into contact with it? How could natives living in the Americas go to heaven without christianity, islam, buddhism, whatever? Baptism by desire.

You don't necessarily need faith to be worthy of heaven.



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Posted by French Toast on Sat Jun 17th at 10:13pm 2006

That's a bit of a cheap way of globalizing your religion. Those people had their own religions and beliefs, and just to seem all powerful your religion decided to say 'It's okay, they're still children of our God' etc.



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Posted by Gwil on Sun Jun 18th at 12:39am 2006

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Being a more learned Catholic, I know of a lesser-known tenent of Catholic doctrine: baptism by desire. In layman's terms, it means that if you are unaware of God, but if you had been aware of him, you would've been a full-fledged believer, you're still in the running for heaven. People raised as athiests or who became athiests later because of any reason involving misinformation aren't secluded from heaven, if they are truly good people, what (G)god wouldn't let them in?

Common example: if (insert religion here) is universal, and anyone can be saved through it, how does that help bands of people who can't come into contact with it? How could natives living in the Americas go to heaven without christianity, islam, buddhism, whatever? Baptism by desire.

You don't necessarily need faith to be worthy of heaven.


You make interesting points but drop the whole "i'm an intellectual" thing. It's embarassing at best.




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Posted by Stadric on Sun Jun 18th at 1:16am 2006

fine, it was a poor choice of words, I'll admit it.

As for French's comments, they do not invalidate what I said.



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Posted by French Toast on Sun Jun 18th at 1:36am 2006

I suppose, but it's pretty much what it is.



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Posted by Stadric on Sun Jun 18th at 3:40am 2006

I can see your point. Theoretically any organization can enforce anything it has neither validated nor invalidated, just to "go with the flow". While it is true that it hasn't been dictated as actual church doctrine, baptism by desire has been part of catholic tradition for some time. Quick example, I remember the children's catechisms my Mom taught me, that's where I first learned about BBD, I don't know anything about the copyright on those, but they seemed pretty old. (Think stereotypical 50s kids.)



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Posted by French Toast on Sun Jun 18th at 3:49am 2006

What I'm trying to say is that maybe the only God is actually a native american God, and he's so forgiving that he'll now take everyone. Get where I'm going with this?



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Posted by Stadric on Sun Jun 18th at 4:12am 2006

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What I'm trying to say is that maybe the only God is actually a native american God, and he's so forgiving that he'll now take everyone. Get where I'm going with this?


I get it...now :P



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Posted by DrGlass on Sun Jun 18th at 7:02am 2006

I was watching the History Channel the other day and caught something about "Because god wants to forgive all man, in time even those in Hell will be granted into Heaven" not the word for word quote, but it caught my attention. They went on to say that this isn't taught because of the obvious.

I did catch this between a "the bible code matrix" and some right wing type show about terroism, so I don't know if this is at all accepted. Anyone know?

As for the above line of thought: This just goes back to my idea that man creates and becomes god. While there may be a god, it is only what we make it. If we belive in a main stream god, thats what he will become (to the individual). Thus, no wrong or right, simply what is real to you, IS real. If there is an afterlife, then that reality moves on with you.



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Posted by fishy on Sun Jun 18th at 10:39am 2006

"the seven spirits of god" are mentioned at least four times in revelations. (the last book of the bible). it's strange how something like that gets so little attention. the attention that it does get from religious groups is normally to debunk any notion that there may be, or have been in the past, seven 'true' religions.

also, words like faith and belief get thrown about too much, as if they're some sort of key to the pearly gates. doesn't it make sense that the devil has more reason to believe or have faith in the existence of god than anyone else? will it get him into heaven?




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Posted by parakeet on Sun Jun 18th at 4:40pm 2006

Those who are in hell , usually wish to be in hell , Love is a direct result of free will . They are given the choice of heaven or sin and cannot pull themselves away from sin .. to the point where they cannot enter heaven.

Total agreence with you fishy , All the demons in hell "believe" in god obviously. You must be Faithful to god , in order to get to heaven. More or less at least TRY not to sin.


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