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Posted by Stadric on Fri Jun 9th at 3:54am 2006

Second funniest thing I've heard all day.

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Posted by Cassius on Fri Jun 9th at 2:55pm 2006

It needs to be a .GIF to work - if it is a JPEG, the eye-raping JPEG interference rapes your eyes every time, detracting significantly from the effect.





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Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jun 9th at 8:58pm 2006

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It needs to be a .GIF to work - if it is a JPEG, the eye-raping JPEG interference rapes your eyes every time, detracting significantly from the effect.


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Posted by parakeet on Sat Jun 10th at 12:24am 2006

*eliminated quotes and .. just rewrote*

i think it's important for all religions to try and disprove eachother , How else will we find the ULTIMATE truths. Obviously a truth cannot be disproven :P. unless .. the proof is false.

Science on another note , is merely an explanation of the world around us , and noted .. it's subject to change .... so try not to put TOO much faith in it.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 10th at 2:04am 2006

Which reminds me. I was listening to talk radio out of Oklahoma City yesterday. There was this Creationist dummy on there trying to give his rendition of why Evolution is bulls**t and Creation is the only truth.

I got so pissed that I was seeing red because this guy was so stupid that to be on the radio was criminal, but what was worse, some poor fool might just believe him.

Anyway, (and I am paraphrasing here because I do not have total recall where stupid is the main point)

His thinking: "If you are asked about evolution, forget it because its "WRONG"

Evolution is by definition, a series of mutations. Each successful mutation is passed onto its offspring and eventually after many new mutations a totally new species is formed. THIS IS A LIE! (his words not mine)

If mutations were the key, it would be the same as writing books with typo's in them. After enough books were written, a totally new language would be formed. (again this is his reasoning)

Its about now that I am getting really pissed because his example is so ludicrous... Then my sense of humor comes to my rescue and I am laughing so hard that I can barely drive. I am thinking "This guy has obviously never participated in a chatroom before. If he had, he'd have realized that typos had already created another language in L33t speach... And it didn't take a decade, let alone a millennium or more"

I was so happy afterward that I forgot all about the asshole and his creationist crap.





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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Jun 10th at 10:04am 2006

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Which reminds me. I was listening to talk radio out of Oklahoma City yesterday. There was this Creationist dummy on there trying to give his rendition of why Evolution is bulls**t and Creation is the only truth.
I got so pissed that I was seeing red because this guy was so stupid that to be on the radio was criminal, but what was worse, some poor fool might just believe him.


Creationism is where my tolerance towards religion stops. The whole point of Creationism is to disprove science (and evolution is among the most irrefutable "theories" in history). These people are crazy and I find it discomforting to see them having such a big base of followers in the USA. Teaching the Bible in biology? wtf?



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Posted by Crono on Sat Jun 10th at 10:35am 2006

I've always thought that the Big Bang theory was something that made the idea of Creationism possible. I mean, the entire point of creationism is that ... at some point God created the ability for our lives to exist. I don't understand why it would matter WHEN? I'll be quite honest with you and if this is the case, I'll thank "it" for making Hydrogen and Helium earlier than myself!

It's a silly idea. It seems a lot of people think of "existence" as "Earth" ... or even the country they live in and it's simply not true. We're very small in comparison to everything else. (It's up to you to figure if that makes you feel insignificant or special and unique)

But to these type of people apparently this supposed being is almighty and powerful ... but limited to their personal imagination. Even though, by their reckoning ... God created the very idea of imagination ... is it just me or does this line of logic make no sense?


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Posted by parakeet on Sat Jun 10th at 12:34pm 2006

this is the catholics say on evolution , It could be possible , but it must be guided by the hand of god. And the minute that monkey became man god breathed a soul unto him.




personally i have a few problems with evolution , but i wouldn't completly rule it out .... as god can do wtf he wants :P


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Posted by Agent Smith on Sat Jun 10th at 2:16pm 2006

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I've always thought that the Big Bang theory was something that made the idea of Creationism possible.


Thats exactly what I think Crono. I don't know why Christians get so upset about the idea of the Big Bang and even evolution (barring having evolved from monkeys, just darwin smoking crack). The big bang in particular sounds like proof to me of the sudden creation of the universe by God. The thing that many Christians get hung up on is a literal interpretation of the Bible, that he created everything in seven days, but science is telling us that the earth has been around longer than the Bible allows for. But 7 days in God days might be 7 billion years, a blink of an eye for him. The bible wasn't written at the time of the creation of everything, it happened ages afterwards, and still a long time before now, so its doubtful that even if they knew exactly how long it took, that they would be able to comprehend that amount of time.

I laugh everytime religion claims to disprove science, and science claims to disprove religion, because it sure as hell looks to me that they're supporting each other.



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Posted by parakeet on Sat Jun 10th at 4:09pm 2006

Well truth goes in hand with truth <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

totally agree with ye agent <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">


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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Sat Jun 10th at 6:57pm 2006

I think of science as asking "how?" while religion asks "why?" - they're really just two perfectly compatible questions. In fact, one of my best high school biology teachers was a firm Christian.

On a similar subject: though I'm not religious at all, I think the Bible should definitely be taught in public schools - not as divine truth perhaps, but instead considered as a literary work. Entire elements of Western society are based off this book; it's a shame some people (including myself) were never really exposed to it.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jun 10th at 8:11pm 2006

Reaper: To those who know, you sound so silly here. Only a select few wierdos IRL, and the misrepresentations of Christians on TV try to disprove science with religion. Anyone who knows anything knows that science has the ability to prove something almost indefinitely. And with the exception of "miracles" such as turning water into wine, Science proves the bible and the bible proves science. The bible says "God created everything" It doesn't say he used a magic spell or some cheat codes. He could have used the big bang, and I think that he did.

I think evolution is a real possibility. Not the successive evolution, where one species comes from another (like humans and Dogs from the same fish), But i think that species in themselves change over time.

I really just don;t see why when people think of Christians, they think of the crazy ones on TV, who tell you that evolution is false, and not real-life ones like me and many others who know that the bible is not anti-science.

In short, you have a very distorted view of what Christians are really like. Much more distorted than a REAL Christian's view on science.




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Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sat Jun 10th at 8:39pm 2006

Agreed nickleplate,

Which is why I sometimes like these kinds of threads, they give me a chance to explain what I really believe and think. Many of those who call themselves Christians fail to understand that the bible is a guide, not a law. If the bible says 7 days, it doesn't nessesarily mean 7 days in our sence.

Christianity is about you and God, I can't stress this enough. It's a relationship, not a way of living.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 10th at 9:14pm 2006

The thing that separates "Creationists" from "Evolutionists" is the ability to wrap your mind around the concept of just how long things take.

The main reason so few people can accept that Humans came from lower forms, such as primates is because they refuse to accept just how long "A LONG TIME" really is.

Millions of years is barely long enough in some instances for changes to occur.

Face it, there really are very few who can wrap their mind around 4.5 billion years. Thats from the theoretical "DAY #1" of Earths existence to now.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jun 10th at 9:56pm 2006

Dark: It really IS a way of living. If you feel the conviction in your heart when you START the relationship with God, you will change the way you live accordingly.

And don't get confused with the "laws and guidelines" thing. There are plenty of LAWS that we must follow. You can't choose which ones of those you want to obey. However, the "days" that genesis talks about may be taken figuratively.




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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Jun 10th at 10:08pm 2006

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Reaper: To those who know, you sound so silly here. Only a select few wierdos IRL, and the misrepresentations of Christians on TV try to disprove science with religion. Anyone who knows anything knows that science has the ability to prove something almost indefinitely. And with the exception of "miracles" such as turning water into wine, Science proves the bible and the bible proves science. The bible says "God created everything" It doesn't say he used a magic spell or some cheat codes. He could have used the big bang, and I think that he did.


I never said that most Christians are Creationists. I don't know how you managed to interprete my post in that way. image I'm not saying that Christians in general are like that. Still, a majority of the people I know are Christians and they are rather open-minded.

I just don't think that the bible should be mixed into a science class. Religion is something private. I could argue that a buddhist kid (or, hey why not, an atheist one!) shouldn't be taught an aspect of a different religion in biology. There is a reason why there is no religion class in schools (there is one in Austria, btw.)

I don't agree with "science" and "religion/believe" mixing very well. They just... don't. Science works with evidence, believe with feelings. Scientists collected tons of undeniable evidence to proof the theory of evolution (fossils, studies on endogenous species on islands, ect.). Creationism (or, in politically correct words, the "Intelligent Design" concept) pretends to work scientifically (with evidence) but it jumps into believe at points that are unacceptable in scientific work. It doesn't even qualify as a proper "scientific theory". The only "evidence" is that the complexibility of nature cannot be coincidence. Why? Just so. If it really wants to go there I can just ask a simple question: If it's impossible for something as complex as this world to exist without a god who created it - who created god? Is he coincidence then?

It doesn't work. Science and Religion/Believe are two completely different things. Opposites, if you will. Maybe, because both are practised by men, you find similarities in how people respond to the two. But no, science and belief are completely seperate concepts.



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Posted by French Toast on Sun Jun 11th at 5:06am 2006

I don't know how to really explain myself, but in no way should the bible be taught/preached/whatever you want to call it in school. The Bible is a book that some people believe in, but you can't use it to try and dispute many things about science.

In my mind the bible has no merit in todays society. It was designed to keep people in line. The whole point of religion is to try and explain why things happen. People had no idea why it rained even, so they created Gods and their own way of proving it, but at this point in time nobody can dispute why it rains from science's explanations.

Even the Bible isn't the divine word of God. They've discovered books that weren't entered into the Bible because whoever was looking over the writing decided not to put them in. If this is Gods word, that wouldn't make any sense.

It just kind of baffles me that people still support this idea. Now I wasn't brought up being told what to believe, and I think that's why I came to this conclusion. Most people who are religious are brought up being told that's what it's about.

I just... it doesn't make sense to me.



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Posted by Loco on Sun Jun 11th at 8:15am 2006

? quoting French Toast
They've discovered books that weren't entered into the Bible because whoever was looking over the writing decided not to put them in. If this is Gods word, that wouldn't make any sense.


Is the Apocrypha technically God's word, or in fact any of the gospels? If you take "God's word" literally, then the different view points cause contradictions. Anyone who's read or seen Beckett's "Waiting for Godot" may remember that only one of the gospels claims that the person on the cross next to Jesus was saved.

The religion and morality debate looks like where this is heading, since I would argue the reason for teaching the bible in schools is because it has had a huge effect on moral thinking. Even if you don't believe the bible to be true, I would argue that it (and particularly the New Testament - not so much the Old Testament) still contains a lot of relevant moral content.

Interestingly on this topic, a few people argue that "An eye for an eye" was supposed to encourage punishment and retribution. It was actually put there to limit the punishments that people imposed, rather than encourage them, so absurdly harsh punishments weren't used for minor crimes.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Jun 11th at 8:42am 2006

No, Science and God are not mutually exclusive. All you need to do is have the desire to understand the systems, and how they work together. I know for a fact that Christianity does not contradict science and that Science only helps point the way toward God.

So many people judge the Bible and its readers before they understand. The apocrypha (or deuterocanonical texts) are recognised as "historically semi-accurate" but are not recognised as "the word of God." It is known to historians that these "gospels" such as the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, and the Gospel of St. Thomas were written up to 300 years after all the other Gospels and many were written for the express purpose of furthering Gnosticism, (the davinci code beleifs) It was decided in light of historical evidence not to include them. Because they WEREN'T texts written under divine inspiration. Its the same as me writing something today and them not including it in the bible. It's not like they WERE in there and then they got kicked out, they just weren't included when it was all put together.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jun 11th at 5:50pm 2006

Just in case no one mentions it, that was a well thought out reply Frenchy. I share a few of your points.



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