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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Aug 15th at 6:32pm 2006
This is a leatherman, in case you don't know:
Anyway, the security guy showed it to his boss, and then they returned it to my buddy and let him carry it onto the plane. We were pretty outraged about that, and then we realized if a terrorist wanted to hijack our flight we'd at least have something to kill him with...
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Posted by Stadric on Tue Aug 15th at 11:56pm 2006
As I Lay Dying
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Stadric beat me... Post no longer works.
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Posted by reaper47 on Wed Aug 16th at 12:40am 2006
Now, that's a logic, too!
Posted by Orpheus on Wed Aug 16th at 11:47am 2006
I also am practically permanently banned from printing out a boarding pass. I have to check inside. All because of my last name.
I know the last name you use online, I see no issues. Odd that really. Try having a name like mine during WW2. 
On topic
Anyway, my thoughts on the security issue:
You have 2 choices because they aren't going to stop checking.
1) stop flying.
2) accept.
You cannot hardly blame the people trying to secure. If you wanna go on a crusade, blame the root cause, not the portion that interferes with your lives. ![]()
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Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 16th at 6:36pm 2006
I didn't have a choice, I had to go see some family.
They're going to begin taking people who are Arab or have any Arab ethnicity and put them through specialized screening in airports, if that bill passes. At least that's what I heard.
You think there's nothing wrong with that? Last time I checked, it wasn't just Arabs bombing places. One of the guys they caught on that "dry run" was white.
Being suspicious of someone because of their heritage is not "being safe". Anyone can kill someone else. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity.
It doesn't stop at airlines, Jon. There is a perpetual racism that has only mild since the 70s and since 9/11 has been slowing rising up again. My parents had to deal with the Iranian Hostage Negotiation and thankfully, now, people aren't as ignorant as then.
Chances are, if my name comes up on a terrorist watch list, they have monitored many other things. I don't know T-Mobile or Verizon's stance on releasing that information, though.
Also, I don't want to hear any rebuttal. My comments don't concern anyone else. I was just saying what happened.
I don't see the point of arguing racial profiling any longer.
Posted by Orpheus on Wed Aug 16th at 7:55pm 2006
Thankfully. ![]()
My point was, each generation has its issues. In WW2 it was mainly Japanese and Germans. I may not have been alive but, I do have kinfolk that were. Actually most of them are dead now, but they were alive when I was your age and I talked to them.
If there is a bright side, be glad you are born now. Japanese Americans during WW2 were placed in concentration camps. You are still free... More less.
My sympathies though. I do understand.
I know I told you once, but I had a great Grandma who was on the trail of tears. Tis why I sometimes bring up native American topics. They really took a beating on that trail. It wasn't a good generation for the Cherokee. ![]()
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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Aug 16th at 8:01pm 2006
I like that point. No matter how bad you may think things are now, no one can deny that we've made a lot for progress in the last 60 years.
Thankfully. ![]()
My point was, each generation has its issues. In WW2 it was mainly Japanese and Germans. I may not have been alive but, I do have kinfolk that were. Actually most of them are dead now, but they were alive when I was your age and I talked to them.
If there is a bright side, be glad you are born now. Japanese Americans during WW2 were placed in concentration camps. You are still free... More less.
My sympathies though. I do understand.
I know I told you once, but I had a great Grandma who was on the trail of tears. Tis why I sometimes bring up native American topics. They really took a beating on that trail. It wasn't a good generation for the Cherokee. ![]()
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Aug 19th at 11:34pm 2006
The Mexican issue is pretty much nationwide now that the borders are open in both directions for trade.
American high dollar jobs are going South, literally. Mexicans are also more apt to soak up the low end jobs that white people only complain about. I get so tired of people crying about low paying jobs, then complain about people who work them.
My only comment however is, that if they would pay the Mexicans as much as White's would they still bitch that the Mexicans are taking something?
I know that I'll never live long enough but, I'd so much like to see us all viewed as Earth People, not races.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Aug 19th at 11:44pm 2006
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Aug 19th at 11:45pm 2006
I'm reminded of the class system in Brave New World...
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Aug 19th at 11:48pm 2006
I'm reminded of the class system in Brave New World...
Sounds more like "Fahrenheit 451" to me.
In fact, Nickels comment stinks of segregation. I have met many people I consider equals. I have met many I respect. I have yet to meet my better. ![]()
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Aug 19th at 11:54pm 2006
Brave New World book notes from here: http://www.bookrags.com/notes/bnw/TOP2.html
Topic Tracking: Inferiority
Chapter 1
Inferiority 1: The embryos are divided into different castes right from the start, even before they are decanted as human beings. There is a predetermined split between superior and inferior prior to "birth."
Chapter 2
Inferiority 2: The government uses sleep-teaching to reinforce a sense of superiority on the part of the Alphas and a sense of inferiority on the part of the Epsilons.
Etc. Etc.
Posted by Orpheus on Sun Aug 20th at 12:04am 2006
Its been 3 decades at least since I read 451. All I remember about it was burning books to keep people stupid and promoting a semblance of segregation. (I think)
I am silly about racism. I cannot stand any form of it and separating people into classes just because their skin color is considered lowly is very upsetting.
My wife told me this: The other night she took her mom to the Emergency room at the hospital 2 days ago. While she was there she noticed a Mexican mother with 3 children. They were apparently there before she arrived. The children were sick and throwing up in succession. My wife told me they had to call house keeping several times to clean up the puke. They finally brought this poor mom a bucket for the kids to throw up in.
This poor mom sat there and no one would see them. After my wifes mom came out from seeing the Doctor, she noticed the mother was still waiting. My wife took it upon herself to finally complain. It took a white woman complaining before the poor mom and 3 kids were seen.
Crap like this shouldn't happen. ![]()
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Aug 20th at 12:25am 2006
It is nothing LIKE brave new world. Which is a great book, by the way. I think the current world is turning into "Brave New World." I feel like the savage! The last man on earth with a realistic outlook that is not based on comforts and immediate gratification!
Look at how everyone has turned to science for all thier needs and wants. The ethos, pathos and logos have been separated in that world without one, there is no others. They are beginning to separate in this world too.
The people in both worlds are just Children in grownups bodies, look at how in the book they cater to thier every wish by use of drugs or casual sex without emotional meaning. Look at how this world is just the same. I would not have the world become like "Brave New World," I would have it stop being as such. But anything I try to do with regards to changing it only leads to people calling me "medieval" and "backwards" and "trying to bring back the 'progress' of humans." I am the savage, the man whom it is worst to be.
Orph, being different is NOT racism. Having colors is not having separations. A color in itself is not lowly, it is the thinking of the people involved.There will always be an optical separation between brown and white, but there does not have to be a class assigned to both exclusively.
Orpheus and Morphine, I'm ashamed of your thinking process in this. How does a black millionaire like "Snoop Dogg" compared to a s**t-poor white man like people living around me fit into both of your paradigms of color=class? But to go along with your scenario...
Why are mexicans poor? Because they are immigrants from a poorer nation. But it's the nation's fault, not the people.
Why is mexico so crappy? Because the government is poorly run.
Who has been running the mexican government for a few hundred years? Mexicans.
Any way you look at it, Mexicans are poor because of Mexicans, not because they were assigned a class of "Epsilon" when they illegally crossed the border, and are not being brainwashed by evil white men in tall buildings.
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Posted by Cassius on Sun Aug 20th at 1:28am 2006
Wow, get the f**k off the boards. I've never said that to anyone, and I hope I never have to say that to anyone again.
Members of a disenfranchised group in society cannot be held accountable for the state of their group. Complicated history, rather than a sequence of moral choices for which Mexicans as a group somehow hold collective responsibility, has placed their country at a lower standard of living than ours. And in any case, vindicating them for being generally poor - and yes, implying that they are uniquely responsible for how they're doing is vindication, derision, insult - is at best counterproductive and at worst outright cruel. You may just be part of what's wrong with this country.
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