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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Jan 18th at 8:51am 2007

*phew*


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 20th at 3:11pm 2007

Snarkpit has a 56k friendly version, most of us know this.

I would like to see a broadband unfriendly version. It is a pain but necessary. Snarkpit shouldn't have to police every user to maintain a website that is not only respected, but respectable. People, most especially broadband users are about the most inconsiderate here in terms of what they post. Specifically screens.

Yeah, I know its a dead horse, but the problem still exists. To tell the truth, I am about fed up with my inability to impose a proper viewpoint with regards to what file sizes to upload. If I post simple text, either it is ignored by the majority, or soma asshole will argue the point. BOTH are inexcusable but the event still transpires.

My solution is simple. Either disable external file links to the image portion, since this is the majority of the problem. ALSO disable the Snarkpit optimization algorithm. Its not the best anyway. In its place, impose a file size limit, much the same as with out avatar system with a 100k upper limit. If a person wants a 1600x1200 picture posted, then it will be. BUT ugly as sin. If a person wants a great looking screen, they will post an 800x600 like THIS SITE SUGGESTED!

Lastly, if the person complains about this imposition, we can explain politely, that it was necessary to do, because the current system was abused so badly. If they continue to bitch, we can use the "I R MORON" avatar system on them until they relent.

I firmly agree that this should be totally un-necessary, but the fact remains that it is also, unavoidable. You cannot, or should not have to babysit so lets remove the option of needing to by imposing our will in advance of the problem.





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Posted by ding on Sat Jan 20th at 3:37pm 2007

@Orpheus:

I've been using dial-up for a long time before I got broadband and I understand this problem.
800x600 is fair for dial-up users (I think).

There's another point I want to add:

Posting 1600x1200 pictures is nonsense. Even if you got an 21" display the images are way to big (In my case they just fill up the entire screen). Most people use a desktop resolution below that size anyway (even in case you got a very expensive display with >22").

Screenshots that are 800x600 improve the overview of the entire page/shown map/whatever and if you are using high resolutions go download a program like IrfanView and downsize the taken screenshots.
You'll even benefit of it:

Downsizing a 1600x1200 picture to 800x600 will improve the overall look because you add some additional "anti aliasing" and sharpness to it.

/ding



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Posted by fishy on Sat Jan 20th at 4:57pm 2007

i'm in favour of limiting images to 800x600 < 150k, but Gwil might need to do things that shouldn't be discussed here, to get help with the coding from old Mr.Flakey, so i don't know.


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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Jan 20th at 5:12pm 2007

First, I'm not sure if I missed (or forgot something) but does Gwil or staff members, generally, have access to the site code now? Would be great.

Otherwise limiting the file size to 800x600 (mainly for viewing pleasure) and <160kb (for load speed) sounds ideal. Also the auto-compressing could be a very nice feature if it was limited to large file-sizes.

oh, and forum-threads should be automatically created for new, unfinished maps (or it should at least be a default option). The "comments" section and the forums are quite different environments for getting feedback and it would make sense to limit commenting to finished maps or at least very advanced betas. I see a lot of maps with comments like "you should get rid of the dev textures." or "can't wait till it's finished." which are terribly out of place once the map is finished. Also I prefer lists where the latest comment is up, but that's more of a random idea...


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 20th at 10:50pm 2007

The basic rule of thumb is, buy low, sell high. Remember this while I negotiate a settlement, with regards to an upper limit file size. Remember also, that I firmly believe that 80k is quite high enough. Also remember that I was talked into a 100k cap, by the majority of those whom were interested enough to haggle it. Also notice that I haven't said much even upwards of 120k, since quite a few favor that size.

Now notice, that a 150k and a 160k limit has been proposed. So, whats the difference between 80k and 160? about 3 minutes on 56k. (Give or take, since Snarkpit sometimes takes more, and less time. I think thats due to the host though)

Now, why have I suddenly complained in this forum thread again? Replies like the one within this map. Yes, I have been called worse, but dammit, enough is enough. Why should I have to endure such language? Why should I even have to remind people of the screenshots? Mind now, I even asked this guy to boost the sizes, and I STILL AM RIDICULED.

Also, I bring this up now because I think that it is now possible to get it initiated, since there is more than likely someone in charge again.

I personally believe that 100k is more than enough, but will settle for anything that is IMPOSED upon these people. Something set in stone that they will not be able to circumvent with outside links. It would be very improper for us to govern another site by asking them to respect our rules. BUT we can stop anyone from linking backward to them.





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Posted by fishy on Sun Jan 21st at 12:06am 2007

i'm not trying to haggle. i thought that the 150k was generally acceptable, even though i usually keep my own below 100.

the comment you refered to is now gone, even though that wasn't your intentions. it deserved to go, on it's own merit.

are you seriously suggesting that i can't use my own webspace to host images that i show here?




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jan 21st at 12:20am 2007

? quoting fishy
are you seriously suggesting that i can't use my own webspace to host images that i show here?

I dunno really Fisheye. I use mine exclusively TBH and truth be told, I meant outside, as outside and to be fair, there aren't any more pits to be had so the question of new people getting one is moot.

But think on this. We already are allowed to post 3 screens uploaded. Do we really need more? If so, ask that the 3 be upped to 5, or any number you feel necessary.

To tell the truth, I cannot foresee any method, where someone won't be hurt.

As a wise person once said, "any fair decision properly made, makes everyone mad" (paraphrased of course)





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Posted by Gwil on Sun Jan 21st at 1:02am 2007

I will look into the concerns shown - for now, its all about fiscal and administrative concerns. As with the competitions, watch this space.






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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jan 21st at 1:26am 2007

The forum needs synced again.

If you click on the last page of my travels thread, it will not load the page. You can only access the thread if you click the snark icon.





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Posted by ding on Sun Jan 21st at 8:42am 2007

@Orph/fishy

Fix of this problem:

Is it possible to code some kind of image-size-check? So that even external graphics are only shown if they are 800x600. A message could tell the user "Please resize your images" or something like that - don't know if it's possible since I am no PHP guru.



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Posted by fishy on Sun Jan 21st at 1:41pm 2007

Ding, as far as I know, it's only Gwil that's dealing with the site code now. I don't know the first thing about how that stuff works.

'Though I don't imagine your suggestion would be the most difficult thing to do. The pit already resizes external images over 800x600, so blocking them shouldn't be too hard.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jan 21st at 2:35pm 2007

? quoting fishy
are you seriously suggesting that i can't use my own webspace to host images that i show here?

I read this again this morning. I was confused at first because I assumed you meant your pit, which you have but seems totally unused.

Now though, I am more inclined to believe you meant a host outside Snarkpit. The answer is still "I dunno", but at least I think I now understood your comment.





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Posted by reaper47 on Mon Jan 22nd at 2:45pm 2007

I personally don't like external links for the official map profile pics. They get no thumbs, only small, little icons that are easy to overlook and are annoying to click (because they mostly lead to 1600x1200, 500kb pics anyway :P ). Last but not least they're often gone after 6 months resulting in map profiles with no proper pics at all. If you want more than 3 pictures, provide an additional link or post pics in the forum. 5 is kinda random as a limit also. Either you can present the map in 3 pics or you need 8 or 10 anyway.

Also the thumbs make the map profile more compact and clear on a first look. I think linking 5 external pics to the super-official map-profile isn't a necessary feature. You can provide a few links in the description or somewhere else if you need more than 3 pics.

My 160kb suggestion was mainly about little inconsistencies (like 1024 vs 1000 bits to form a kilobyte, ect). So if you say 100kb is the limit, then there should be a 10kb buffer (like pictures that are 101kb). Maybe 100kb are better than 150. It's a nicer number, anyway.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Feb 18th at 1:12am 2007

Links are dead on the front pages newest news.



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Posted by fishy on Sun Feb 18th at 2:27am 2007

? quoting Orpheus
Links are dead on the front pages newest news.

fixed by removing the / at the end of each link.




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Posted by ding on Sun Mar 4th at 4:28pm 2007

Spam-Bots on Snarkpit:

Check out some of the latest registrations here. You will see a lot of people having the same term in "user name" and "location". If you check the home pages of these guys you will find something like http://porn-pictures-loka.blogspot.com/ etc.

Examples:

http://www.snarkpit.net/users.php?page=memberlist&start=165

http://www.snarkpit.net/users.php?name=bonnielawqw

So, what's the plan, gwil? image



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Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Mar 19th at 11:18pm 2007

Hello, I don't know if this has been suggested before, since I've neevr really spent that much time in the old thread unfortunatly.

But wouldn't it maybe be a nice idea to add a page to the website called 'competitions' with screenshots and downloads of old competition maps etc.
And maybe a function through which users can submit their own ideas for competitions.

I know you lads usualy use the forums for this type of thing, but it would maybe be interesting and more popular if you'd make a simple page for this.

Though I don't know if this is easy to code/implement into this website.


And if you can't see what you are typing, go to your profile and tick the box that disables as much java scripts as possible.
Fixed that problem for me.


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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Mar 20th at 5:24am 2007

Level Design Discussion forum: we have the editing forums, which really only cater to asking specific questions with somewhat concrete answers; and we have GB, which seems to be the catchall for everything else except map threads and showing off 2D/3D art/photos, including (mostly) off-topic stuff. There's no specific place to discuss design theory, techniques, etc. and I think such a forum would fit very nicely into the Snarkpit community.


=o



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Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Mar 20th at 10:18am 2007

I think you could suggest some theorys etc. in General Banter, but indeed, maybe a place for those hardcore level designers that want to talk about engines, elaborate on new tecniques and stuff like that, it wouyld be nice to have a place of their own.

But you can always open a topic in General Banter untill that time, I'm sure people will reply to it in there just as well.


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