Ipod vs. Zune
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Re: Ipod vs. Zune
Posted by Forceflow on Wed Jan 3rd at 9:38pm 2007


foobar : right click on group of files, choose 'masstagger' (if it's not there, you have to download the plugin, it's optional during install).

otherwise, the program jinx posted or this thing: http://mp3bookhelper.sourceforge.net/

The program has a horrible interface (waaay too much functionality in one UI, but still) but one super-function: filename to tag. Just input the structure, and your files will be tagged.



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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Jan 4th at 5:25pm 2007


Apple sued for iTunes/iPod monopoly tying





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Posted by French Toast on Thu Jan 4th at 5:32pm 2007


Someone who hates Mac jumping on any opportunity he gets?

I hate America sometimes.




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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Jan 4th at 5:50pm 2007


The stylish mac almost formated my harddisk because there's no proper safe mode in OSX. I have all reason in the world to hate them.





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Posted by smackintosh on Thu Jan 4th at 5:52pm 2007


I don't like Macs, but I don't hate the company. They pretty much started the home computing business, and BG ripped off Apple for every idea they had.

If I'm not mistaken, MS owns at least part of Apple... So, isn't the Ipod competing with Zune kind of pointless? lol MS seems to be the only major monopoly around.




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Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 5th at 12:26pm 2007


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If I'm not mistaken, MS owns at least part of Apple...


I highly doubt that... ...

Don't get me wrong, I like the competition. But I think it's wrong to be a loyal follower of either of them. Apple, for example, is much more restrictive when it comes to hardware than even Microsoft. Things like that.






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Posted by Jinx on Fri Jan 5th at 2:08pm 2007


Yeah, my main problem with Apple is the restrictive hardware. If anyone could build a computer and put OSX on it, you'd see way more people trying it and way more game software for the platform. Hell, I would happily give it a shot if it would work on a non-mac system.

However, while MS seems to make their $$ off their OS, Apple seems focused on profiting from a hardware monopoly over anyone who wants to use their OS. Apple used to be about bringing home computing to everyone in an easy-to-use way. Now they are about selling overpriced, "stylish" hardware to preppy douches.

What I don't get- "Apple people". I mean, good for you, you bought a computer and plugged it in. So you have the same connection to your computer as you do to your toaster. Mac enthusiasts are just consumers with a stick up their collective asses. If you buy a pre-built computer, mac or pc, having that sort of obsessive brand loyalty is senseless. Thinking you are better than everyone else because you happened to buy a particular brand is just snobbish.

What I find ironic is that a lot of Mac users are graphic designers, artists, etc. People who should realize a) that most macs are, in fact, godawful ugly and b) that building a machine is a form of expression. I don't see how you could want to create art on a computer, but not understand a PC user's attraction to creating a computer that is a work of art in of itself. I think a lot of it is just snobbery, not to mention jealousy that they don't know enough about computers to do that sort of thing.

Heh my sister's boyfriend was talking about his iMac's nice widescreen display, comparing it to my 20.1" LCD. I was like, "Wow, that's nice. Too bad you'll have to throw it away when you get a new one". lolz burn.



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Posted by Jimmi on Fri Jan 5th at 5:17pm 2007


Personaly I would go for a Zune.
Although iPod are more popular.
All personal preference. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by French Toast on Fri Jan 5th at 6:42pm 2007


Wow Jinx, what a shortsighted and ignorant post.



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Posted by Naklajat on Fri Jan 5th at 6:51pm 2007


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Dear god... he- he's right.

These "Apple people" are a landing platform for a powerful race of extraterrestrials, or extradimensionals, rather. Earthlings from a parallel universe, where the peace movement took hold in the sixties and instead of the Vietnam war everyone just sat around drinking coffee, smoking pot and playing hacky sack and/or various kinds of hand drums with readings of freeform poetry that doesn't really make sense no matter which way you slice it interspersed throughout. They abolished war and focused on advancing civilization, though most of the advancements were made in the fields of coffee, pot, and hackysack.

Another version of humanity, from a different parallel universe where Hitler won the war and his successors installed totalitarian control across the globe and they focused not on pot and hackysack, but real science, with military applications, developed a way of communicating with the people of other universes who also had the same technology. The people they found on the other end of the line transmitted back schematics to build a device capable of crossing into other universes through the 11th dimension which the totalitarians used to enslave the dirty hippy universe. And since the nineteen-seventies they've been transmitting brainwashing communications into our universe, preparing to enslave us! The only thing that has kept us from complete assimilation is the Flying Spaghetti Monster (know henceforth in this document as FSM), who is an agent of the Benevolent Egyptian Lizard People (known henceforth as the BELP), not to be confused with the Malevolent Eqyptian Lizard People (known henceforth as the MELP), who are in league with the Future Society of Humans (know henceforth as FSH), who provided the Totalitarian Alternate Universe Human Civilization (known henceforth as TAUHC) the technology to cross the 11th dimension and enslave the Dirty Hippy Alternate Universe Human Civilization (known henceforth as DHAUHC), who provided the TAUHC a way past FSM's cosmopsychic field into Our World (know henceforth as OW) in the form of a hip image to push onto the people of OW to brainwash them.

FSM is powerless to stop the interdimensional communications from TAUHC, who influenced several entrepreneurs and celebrities in OW, including Steve Jobs, Steve Ballmer, L. Ron Hubbard, and Stephen Baldwin. The've cultivated an image that will transform OW Human Civilization (known henceforth as OWHC) into dirty hippies, and they're doing this because dirty hippies are easy to push around. Unfortunately, with FSM in OW, the BELP is left defenseless against TAUHC crossing into BELP's universe from both TAU and DHAU. That means the BELP is under siege, and since we humans are so good at reproducing, they're vastly outnumbered. If and when the BELP falls, the MELP (with help from FSH) will invade TAU and DHAU and FSH will take control of the BELP universe, where they will undoubtedly destroy FSM (if TAUHC haven't already done so), leaving OW vulnerable to a full-scale invasion from any number of at least EIGHT DIFFERENT UNIVERSES.

My proposal is covertly developing interdimensional transport of our own, and invading TAUHC. It would also be wise to interbreed with BELP to strengthen the ties between us, because without each other, OW and the BELP will surely fall. I predict a war lasting at least 500 years, and there's a very good chance our planet Earth will be utterly destroyed, so it is of the utmost importance that we colonize space as soon as possible. Boycotting the Ipod AND the Zune, in addition to scientology, the Baldwins and the metric system will surely increase the chances of OW survival against the TAUHC/Apple/MELP/RIAA/FSH onslaught, but that's only the beginning of what must be done. Remember that a group is nothing but a collection of individuals, that without the individuals the group has no power, and that every individual has the power to make a difference.

I fear they'll come for me now that I've exposed the awful truth, so if you never hear from me again, for FSM's sake, do NOT let my warnings fall on deaf ears.

JUST SAY NO TO APPLE.



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Posted by Andrei on Fri Jan 5th at 7:42pm 2007


You know...that kinda looks like a suitcase. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/leper.gif">



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Posted by Jinx on Fri Jan 5th at 8:23pm 2007


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Wow Jinx, what a shortsighted and ignorant post.

Maybe you'd like to explain why you disagree with me instead of just trolling? Or is it easier to puke up a one-line insult than have an actual discussion?

I'm not Microsoft fanboy, but I'm tired of defending the PC as a platform every time I meet some Mac 'fan'. Believe it or not, they aren't just on Penny Arcade. Hell, I even know a guy who wears a shirt with an Apple logo on it. If I walked around with a MS t-shirt, you'd probably call me nuts, wouldn't you?

I guess what I'm saying is, that post didn't come from me arbitrarily deciding to attack Mac enthusiasts. It came from having to put up with some very obnoxious Mac enthusiasts in the past.

And there is a sort of strange following of Mac/Apple stuff. There's even a book written about it (despite the title, it's actually more for Mac fans themselves):
http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Mac-Leander-Kahney/dp/1886411832

From the book's back cover:
"The Macintosh is more than a computer. It's a way of life.... This book is about what it is to be a Macintosh person. It gives insight into the greatest love and loyalties of any product of our era."
-Steve Wozniak, Apple Co-founder

As you can see, it's not ME labeling them as 'mac people', it's a self-identification.



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Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 5th at 10:42pm 2007


I agree with Jinx (and probably others who wrote too much text so I couldn't get myself to read it).

I want to defend myself as a graphic designer using Macs: It's not like we have a choice. The Apple standard somehow slipped into the whole graphic design community long time ago, probably when Apple was ahead of Microsoft, mainly for setting color standards and having certain graphics technology you wouldn't find on an average MS PC.

Today this is not true anymore, but many got used to Macs to a point where doing the step "back" to Microsoft is really hard. Most of us are not technicians. We hate everything that's in the way, and if it's just installing alternate drivers or dealing with non-standardized interfaces. It costs time. It's tedious. Especially with all the complicated graphics programs. Imagine Hammer crashing on you and you need to sell that map tomorrow to pay your rent.

So now we have many old fonts we need (fonts cost money, really) as Mac-only formats. Many Photoshop versions as Mac-only versions (you can only buy either Mac or MS programs from Adobe). And many printing facilities do not support certain Microsoft formats anyway. Format wars are getting better (for example Windows compatible Macbooks ect.). But it's still painful to work with MS programs in the graphic design branche because it's dominated by (*ahem*... older...) colleagues who won't change their computers to non-Mac standards because this would mean a HUGE switch.

It's not just the (admittedly more stylish) design. It's a relic of older times when functionality was better and graphic designers were discovered as a new target group by Apple (while being ignored by Microsoft).

Not even I can escape this trend. Yet.






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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 5th at 10:52pm 2007


You guys do know that Apple makes almost nothing from OSX, right? All the money comes from hardware sales.

If you want the flat out truth, as far as hardware goes, Apple makes it phenomenally better than the "classic" Intel architecture that everyone uses. There are many advantages.

The only thing x86 has over it is its age and wide implementation. For some reason people want to put that into a "OSX vs. Windows" debate, which is equally as ignorant.

Execs talking about "being a Macintosh person" and things like that is just a marketing strategy. It's the same as the Microsoft "where do you want to go today" garbage, which is completely counter intuitive, because the operating system has immense amounts of problems, especially when it comes to networking with, even, other Window machines! Don't even try to make it see other machines running different platforms.

I would buy mac products if they weren't ungodly expensive, because the hardware is great. OSX also integrates a rather current operating system solution that can play most games that are out (especially popular ones) but you can also run Unix programs and work in that environment as well. For someone like me, that's very nice and it doesn't have the hassle of installing linux and configuring everything and then compiling cedaga to get DX emulation and all this other stuff.

Anyway, my point is, it isn't as cut and dry as people make it out. And, to note, you can upgrade the G series macs. They are conforming more to slot standards that exist on other architectures more and more so you can use their machine, but upgrade specific parts like the GPU (as far as I know). I don't like iMac, however. It's just silly that you'd put no upgrade-ability in your machine for most users. But, for people who still don't understand what a mouse does exactly and yet they have to use a computer for whatever reason, it's a perfect solution. OSX also hides the "more complex" interfaces like the Unix command line from these users.

How is that bad, exactly? How does that even mean there needs to be people saying they hate it? I mean, at least OSX generally works!

Oh, and Jinx, you can find torrent of the x86 version of OSX. But, don't count on apple actually putting one out ... ever.



Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Forceflow on Fri Jan 5th at 11:15pm 2007


Bootcamp is your friend.


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Posted by Jinx on Fri Jan 5th at 11:40pm 2007


Reaper: yeah, I know the situation you are in, my sister is there, too. And for her other uses- email etc.- it hardly matters which platform she uses.

A lot of it, from a practical standpoint, is what you plan to use the system FOR. If you are a professional graphic designer Macs are a bit better and so ubiquitous that you have little choice. If you are interested in game design, or enjoy building your own systems, Macs aren't even an option. I point this obvious logic out to Mac addicts and they can't seem to get it through their head that a Mac simply won't let me do what I want to do.

One other note: "PC" doesn't just mean Windows. I'm sure there are some Linux enthusiasts out there who would snub their noses at OSX or Windows.



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Posted by French Toast on Sat Jan 6th at 1:59am 2007


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If you are interested in game design, or enjoy building your own systems, Macs aren't even an option.


a) How is Mac not an option if you like game design?
b) If you want to spend thousands on a computer just because you like building it yourself, try model airplanes.

You speak a lot about 'Mac addicts' and other bulls**t. You just seem very bitter about Mac. Maybe Steve Jobs called you a douche a couple years ago, but your blind hatred towards them is equally retarded as those who blindly love them.

Yes, their hardware is overpriced, and yes they've made bad moves in the past and present, but so has everyone else. At best you hate them because they're trendy, which makes you a little emo punk. Go cut yourself, you whiny little c**t.




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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Jan 6th at 11:15am 2007


French Toast, are you "a Mac"?





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Posted by Natus on Sun Jan 7th at 9:31pm 2007


I tried out that Xplay thingie for managing files...didn't go so well.

I moved one album to my ipod, now NOTHING except that album shows up on the ipod, itunes or anywhere else, it still says i've used the disk space though...so now i have an almost full ipod with 10 songs.






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Posted by reaper47 on Mon Jan 8th at 3:55pm 2007


hrm. Sounds like the first time I used iTunes...

Use the synchronization function. Make a folder on you harddisk that contains all the MP3's you like (well, the folder you already have should do it, no duplication needed) and tell it to synchronize your iPod with this folder. Then the content of your iPod MP3s and that in the folder are identical. Remove or add files to the folder on your HD as you like and re-synchronize to update your collection.

Works well.







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