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Posted by half-dude on Thu Jan 18th at 3:10am 2007

Hey all it's me! Half-dude,

I recently moved my old windows 98 into my room and set it all up. Thats right, I have two computers in my room. I did this cuz I would like to have a LAN set up. I baught some cross over cable and connected them. From there I went into the settings of my LAN NIC cards and set the IP for my host computer as

192.1.1.1 with a subnet mask of 128.128.128.0

Then I set my client as:

192.1.1.2 with a subnet mast of 128.128.128.0

From there I enabled my LAN NIC card on my host and they connected with 100 Mbps. I know they are working because I've already shared multiple files. However for some reason I cant do a LAN game between them. I can only start the server on the host computer, if I start it on the client the host computer wont see the server in the LAN list. Anyway, I'll start connecting on my client computer and after a few seconds it will abort saying something like. "Cannot connet to LAN server, Half life is restricted to class C local clients"

Do you guys know what's going on? I'll give the first one who fixes it this big tub of pop corn




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Posted by amanderino on Thu Jan 18th at 6:41am 2007

Are you connected through a router?
If so, you'll probably have to set the port forwarding.
Unfortunately, I don't know the ports. Valve said Steam needs 4 of them, but I've heard that it really needs more.



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Posted by Crono on Thu Jan 18th at 6:47am 2007

He just said he's using a cross over cable, you dolt.

I don't think he's using a cross over cable AND a router though ... that would be very ... counter productive.

As for the specific problem, I'm not sure how to get that working. Are you using Steam to do this, or the HL1 retail installation? If it's the latter, I wont be able to tell you because it's been about 3 or 4 years since I've used that interface and it sounds like that's what you're using (probably because you don't own 2 copies of HL).

If it isn't the case, say so and I'll give up some suggestions.


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Posted by Le Chief on Thu Jan 18th at 8:01am 2007

I had this problem when I was playing hamachi with half-life. Hamachi is basically a lan game online. So if you want to start a game you would start it like you would wih normal lan. Hamachi is good if you and your freinds share the same cd key.

Anyway, are you useing tcp/ip for your computer. I suppose you are since you have a subnet mask and shivers. It is tcp/ip isynt it?




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Posted by amanderino on Thu Jan 18th at 8:07am 2007

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He just said he's using a cross over cable, you dolt.

Sorry, never used one before, so I don't know how that whole thing works. All that I knew is that I can't host on my computer because of port forwarding.



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Posted by Sodabus on Thu Jan 18th at 12:34pm 2007

HL is probably complaining about your IPs and subnet mask scheme.

Use a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask. You should also use standard private Class C addresses. 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.11 are IPs that are OK to use.



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Posted by FatStrings on Thu Jan 18th at 4:05pm 2007

i've had the same problem before, but usually not with hl1, if you change your subnet maskas sodabus said that worked for us
just to add support



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Posted by Gwil on Thu Jan 18th at 4:31pm 2007

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Hamachi is good if you and your freinds share the same cd key.


aaron_da_killa, you shouldn't be sharing the same CD key, it's illegal and I'd prefer it if you didn't mention copyright infringment on here.




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Posted by mazemaster on Thu Jan 18th at 7:48pm 2007

Sharing game CD's among friends may or may not be illegal, and further such copying is probably good overall for the game industry.

copyright infringement
In terms of copyright infringement, there is a strong argument to be had that such copying is exempt due to the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act, as it is private and non-commercial. Even though the AHRA has "audio" in the name, the act also specifically includes somputer software.

EULA's
Although copying likely violates the EULA, it is still probably legal. EULA's yet to be seriously tested in most courts, and where they have been tested so far, most courts have found EULA's invalid (often classifying them as contracts of adhesion).

DMCA
Circumventing copy protection may be illegal under the DMCA, but honestly the DMCA is a bunch of bull and needs to be repealed ASAP. The idea that you can be arrested for simply exposing flaws in software (even if what you plan to do with those flaws is legal) is, to me, unconsionable.

practical results
I don't have any formal evidence to back up this assertion, but I would tend to think small-scale piracy of games would actually boost sales in the long run since it gives games the best kind of exposure (recommendation from a friend, in combination with personally trying the game). This comes from personal experience where I have played some pirated games at LAN's, liked the games, and then went out and bought them.

Although there are some people who would just use the copied game and never buy it, those are the people who probably wouldn't buy the game anyways.


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Posted by fishy on Thu Jan 18th at 8:03pm 2007

even so, I doubt that the owners of the site want to be at the cutting edge of legal arguments...


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Posted by half-dude on Thu Jan 18th at 9:12pm 2007

Yea, just a stright through connection.

Message submitted 1 minutes after original post:

? quoting Crono
He just said he's using a cross over cable, you dolt.

I don't think he's using a cross over cable AND a router though ... that would be very ... counter productive.

As for the specific problem, I'm not sure how to get that working. Are you using Steam to do this, or the HL1 retail installation? If it's the latter, I wont be able to tell you because it's been about 3 or 4 years since I've used that interface and it sounds like that's what you're using (probably because you don't own 2 copies of HL).

If it isn't the case, say so and I'll give up some suggestions.

No, Im not using a router. Yes, I am using the old retail HL. I would love any suggestions you have.




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Posted by Le Chief on Thu Jan 18th at 10:26pm 2007

At my house I have, 4 computers networked now. All those computers have their ip addresses on auto. Try just putting everything on auto. It works for me.

Unless you have the latest version of half-life it has absoultly nothing to do with your version of half-life. Unless the 2 games are not the same version. It is more of a problem with your networking.




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Posted by Gwil on Fri Jan 19th at 1:05am 2007

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Sharing game CD's among friends may or may not be illegal, and further such copying is probably good overall for the game industry.

copyright infringement
In terms of copyright infringement, there is a strong argument to be had that such copying is exempt due to the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act, as it is private and non-commercial. Even though the AHRA has "audio" in the name, the act also specifically includes somputer software.

EULA's
Although copying likely violates the EULA, it is still probably legal. EULA's yet to be seriously tested in most courts, and where they have been tested so far, most courts have found EULA's invalid (often classifying them as contracts of adhesion).

DMCA
Circumventing copy protection may be illegal under the DMCA, but honestly the DMCA is a bunch of bull and needs to be repealed ASAP. The idea that you can be arrested for simply exposing flaws in software (even if what you plan to do with those flaws is legal) is, to me, unconsionable.

practical results
I don't have any formal evidence to back up this assertion, but I would tend to think small-scale piracy of games would actually boost sales in the long run since it gives games the best kind of exposure (recommendation from a friend, in combination with personally trying the game). This comes from personal experience where I have played some pirated games at LAN's, liked the games, and then went out and bought them.

Although there are some people who would just use the copied game and never buy it, those are the people who probably wouldn't buy the game anyways.


What fishy said. AFAIK, HL1 operates one CD key per person. Even if we're not big enough to attract the attention of the Valve legal department, it is best to exercise respect of the acknowledge law, particularly when we have people whose wages are paid are by legitimate sales of gaming products at this site.




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Posted by half-dude on Fri Jan 19th at 4:35am 2007

Ok, well I noticed that my host computer can go into the client's folder. However the client cant go into the host computer. I turned off my WinXP firewall and that produced a different effect. Insead of my clicking on my host from my clien computer and getting "access denied" It asks me for a "network password" and gives me a space to enter one. Not sure if this has anything to do with the game not working. But this does say that they arnt really equal, my host computer obviously isnt completely open to my client and has lots of security on it that I wasnt aware of. Regardless, does anyone know how to get to the network password options?



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Posted by amanderino on Fri Jan 19th at 4:40am 2007

Crono, feel free to shoot me down again. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/ar15firing.gif">
I'm still new to the whole networking scene, so forgive me if I am wrong again.
But if you've never set up anything for a network password, it's probably still on it's default. Usually, Username: Admin, Password: password.



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Posted by FatStrings on Fri Jan 19th at 5:01am 2007

turn of your window's firewall, that can cause problems with networking



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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 6:40am 2007

No, that shouldn't work unless that user is set up on the host computer.

In Windows 2000 and thus Windows XP User access through any means is controlled by user profiles.

When you get that prompt you can try putting in your current user password for WinXP, if it gives you an error message (sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't) you can create a new user on the XP computer and then let the Win98 computer "log on" the XP computer with that user name.

If you don't know what user XP is running under you can check the start menu where the log off option is it'll have the user name right next to it (unless you have log off in start menu disabled)

Just to note, if you're normal logged in user is "Administrator", create a new user this very moment and use them from now on. The Administrator user in WinNT/XP is akin to Unix/Linux Root account (Though not quite as powerful, yet still worse than just having admin access to the machine)

I thought you said you had things working in file sharing.

I've also found there are anomalous errors when using anti-virus and worm protection software. Some of it will just ignore any incoming call some will ask you what to do ... then not listen to what you say (unless you say "block it", of course)

In any case, if you need to make a new user and you don't know how, go to settings under the start menu on the XP machine and open the control panel. You want to run "User Accounts". Everything after that is pretty self explanatory.

Actually, come to think of it, I remember a "block guest accounts" option under networking utilities in WinXP ... At least, I remember dealing with something like that at some point. But, even if that is what's going on here, you probably want to keep that activated.

Windows Firewall is an atrocious piece of s**t. I wouldn't recommend many software firewalls for that matter. You can almost always circumvent high level software somehow.


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Posted by half-dude on Fri Jan 19th at 5:44pm 2007

? quoting Crono
When you get that prompt you can try putting in your current user password for WinXP, if it gives you an error message (sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't) you can create a new user on the XP computer and then let the Win98 computer "log on" the XP computer with that user name.

Just to note, if you're normal logged in user is "Administrator", create a new user this very moment and use them from now on. The Administrator user in WinNT/XP is akin to Unix/Linux Root account (Though not quite as powerful, yet still worse than just having admin access to the machine)

I thought you said you had things working in file sharing.

I've also found there are anomalous errors when using anti-virus and worm protection software. Some of it will just ignore any incoming call some will ask you what to do ... then not listen to what you say (unless you say "block it", of course)

Windows Firewall is an atrocious piece of s**t. I wouldn't recommend many software firewalls for that matter. You can almost always circumvent high level software somehow.

Yea, I know how to create a user account. So your saying create another account on my XP? Admin or normal access user? If so, do I still log in under my normal user acount and leave the other for my client to use?

When I said they were sharing, I was partially right, I can share both ways, but I have to use my client's share folder both directions. My client just cant get into my host's share folder or ITs folder in general, just so your not confused.

I use AGV for my security needs. Windows Firewall just runs in the background probibly doing absolutely nothing of importance.




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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 6:41pm 2007

Log in normally then once you're logged in log in through the 98 computer over the network.

I explained that already.

If you can't get a connection going, then turn off the Windows Firewall.


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Posted by half-dude on Fri Jan 19th at 10:01pm 2007

Everything you just told me to do is what I had just done when I got the password screen. I dont know what password I should put in. Like I already said, that still doesn't help with the game. Any suggestions?=2>


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