iMac isn't representative of Apple's abilities as a hardware manufacturer. Facets which you have no awareness of, apparently. Their hardware architecture alone trumps Intel's decadent and ancient architecture.
If you pull back the user friendly layers of anything above OS9 you'll see that there is more ability and functionality there than any machine running a Windows OS.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 7:59am 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 7:59am 2007
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Jan 19th at 8:06am 2007
Ever watch Lord Of The Rings? All their CGI was done on a mac. Ever watch The Matrix? That was done on a mac. Mac (Apples as your putting it), have far better processing capabilities for photoshop, maya, 3D Max, and movie making. Really the list goes on and its too far to list. You truly are an idiot if you think "You can do shivers with apple computers" (BTW what the f**k is "shivers"?)
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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Jan 19th at 8:06am 2007
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You cant do shivers with apple computers. There just a big "white" pile of...
Ever watch Lord Of The Rings? All their CGI was done on a mac. Ever watch The Matrix? That was done on a mac. Mac (Apples as your putting it), have far better processing capabilities for photoshop, maya, 3D Max, and movie making. Really the list goes on and its too far to list. You truly are an idiot if you think "You can do shivers with apple computers" (BTW what the f**k is "shivers"?)
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Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:08am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:08am 2007
I emmit that apple is SLOWLY getting better. IMO they are only good for video editing and thats it. I mainly see people using apple macs for simple tasks like typeing up a documnent, looking at pictures from the digital camera and that stuff. You use microsoft for everything else includeing lan fests. Although The ability to run windows on an apple is good, and makes an apple more useful imo.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Jan 19th at 8:16am 2007
1) Learn to f**king spell and read what you wrote, if you don't then I doubt your going to pass High School (which I'am very doubtful ATM).
2) Apple has been ahead of the competition for years now, they haen't "gotten better"
3) Video editing is only the tip of the iceberg buddy.
4) You probably live in a dumpy are if you've only seen people typing up documents and looking at pictures on macs
5) Yes you can run widows on a mac, but its only exists so morons such as yourself can play your video games.
6) And to continue off of 5: more and more video games are being develpoed for mac as well these days because of its growing popularity, eventually the need for windows to be used on macs will be stamped out entirely.
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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Jan 19th at 8:16am 2007
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I emmit that apple is SLOWLY getting better. IMO they are only
good for video editing and thats it. I mainly see people using apple
macs for simple tasks like typeing up a documnent, looking at pictures
from the digital camera and that stuff. You use microsoft for
everything else includeing lan fests. Although The ability to run
windows on an apple is good, and makes an apple more useful imo.
1) Learn to f**king spell and read what you wrote, if you don't then I doubt your going to pass High School (which I'am very doubtful ATM).
2) Apple has been ahead of the competition for years now, they haen't "gotten better"
3) Video editing is only the tip of the iceberg buddy.
4) You probably live in a dumpy are if you've only seen people typing up documents and looking at pictures on macs
5) Yes you can run widows on a mac, but its only exists so morons such as yourself can play your video games.
6) And to continue off of 5: more and more video games are being develpoed for mac as well these days because of its growing popularity, eventually the need for windows to be used on macs will be stamped out entirely.
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Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 8:24am 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 8:24am 2007
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Did you ever notice that switching between those "apparently mundane" tasks is seamless?
You think video editing and 3D modeling consists of "simple" computations?
I reiterate my earlier sentiments.
The multi-platform support OSX delivers hasn't been mentioned either. Nor the administrative control it allows you to possess over your computer. Something which is not available in any Windows OS (Not to the degree Unix allows you)
Windows is behind when it comes to user interfaces and overall "abilities" and often has issues with executing programs designed for it.
To note on the "games" point, any game that can run on a unix platform can run on OSX (Doom 3 engine, for instance)
Did you ever notice that switching between those "apparently mundane" tasks is seamless?
You think video editing and 3D modeling consists of "simple" computations?
I reiterate my earlier sentiments.
The multi-platform support OSX delivers hasn't been mentioned either. Nor the administrative control it allows you to possess over your computer. Something which is not available in any Windows OS (Not to the degree Unix allows you)
Windows is behind when it comes to user interfaces and overall "abilities" and often has issues with executing programs designed for it.
To note on the "games" point, any game that can run on a unix platform can run on OSX (Doom 3 engine, for instance)
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:27am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:27am 2007
I belive that Microsoft is on top. And always has been. My freind also said somthing about apple partnering up with Nintendo. 2 things about that if its true. 1) They would only do that if they are loosing money 2) Nintendo is kinda crappy so that just made apple worse.
I have also never walked into a shop and saw a only for apple mac. Never in my life.
I also dont have time to reread what I write. I am very busy and will be until the end of 2008. Any way U can understand it
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 8:49am 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 8:49am 2007
I just thought of something that, I think, I should share about the Xbox 360, since you're such a Halo fanboy and just about had an aneurysm while watching the subpar trailer for Halo 3.
The CPU in the machine is an IBM designed Power PC TriCore processor named Xenon.
Guess what the Power PC line of CPUs was used in.
Apple and Nintendo are not partnered. To note, the Wii is also using a PowerPC based CPU designed by IBM. The Playstation 3 is using the Cell CPU design, which holds a Power PC core.
If you hating Macs and everything related to them makes you not play a 360 and thus Halo 3: by all means, mindlessly bash away.
The CPU in the machine is an IBM designed Power PC TriCore processor named Xenon.
Guess what the Power PC line of CPUs was used in.
Apple and Nintendo are not partnered. To note, the Wii is also using a PowerPC based CPU designed by IBM. The Playstation 3 is using the Cell CPU design, which holds a Power PC core.
If you hating Macs and everything related to them makes you not play a 360 and thus Halo 3: by all means, mindlessly bash away.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:58am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 8:58am 2007
What was the Power PC line of cpus used in?
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 9:04am 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 9:04am 2007
What have you been bashing for the last two hours? Macs. They were used in Macs.
To note, ALL macs between 1994 and last year. The architecture of that CPU was designed as a joint operation between Apple, IBM, and Motorola.
My point is: You're not aware of the things you're babbling about, so stuff it.
To note, ALL macs between 1994 and last year. The architecture of that CPU was designed as a joint operation between Apple, IBM, and Motorola.
My point is: You're not aware of the things you're babbling about, so stuff it.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:09am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:09am 2007
ok whatever. Xbox 360 is cool and so is bungie. I think that there are more Halo fans in the wold than Half-life fans. Would you agree
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 19th at 9:12am 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 19th at 9:12am 2007
Because I never grow tired of advertising the Fox:
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I've never seen a single ad on a webpage since a year. No, I'm not exaggerating. Maybe it's Adblock blocking the imageshack popup.
And aaron_da_killa, you're talking total bulls**t. Really. You're going on my nerves. And I don't usually say that to people. Check what you write. You're not always right because some pal of you told you something.
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I've never seen a single ad on a webpage since a year. No, I'm not exaggerating. Maybe it's Adblock blocking the imageshack popup.
And aaron_da_killa, you're talking total bulls**t. Really. You're going on my nerves. And I don't usually say that to people. Check what you write. You're not always right because some pal of you told you something.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:15am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:15am 2007
If you look carefuly I said "if thats true". He is a very unreliable freind anyway. Bulls**ts alot and makes up stuff.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 19th at 9:21am 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Jan 19th at 9:21am 2007
No, no I said you were talking bulls**t. I would agree with hardly anything you stated in recent posts.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 9:25am 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 9:25am 2007
You think I'm lying? Go look it up on Wikipedia, it will tell you the complete specs of the Xbox 360. They even used a G5 Mac at E3 2005 to show the upcoming console's games.
As far as your comment on Halo: It's not a cut and dry question. First off, Half-Life has such a large community all over the planet that it's ridiculous, considering all facets that it envelops. It has the largest online game community on the planet through Counter Strike, alone.
If you want to go by sale figures: The overall Half-Life franchise (HL1, HL2, CS, DOD) has sold over 15 million units.
Halo 1 has sold a little over 5 million units worldwide and Halo 2 has sold 7 million. Which is three million units below Half-Life's sales.
As to what I 'think', not based on these numbers, I wouldn't agree. Half-Life revolutionized the second coming of First Person Shooters. It made way for Halo, in a sense. Unlike most people I think the narrative in the second Half-Life game is stronger, more concise, and overall, better. Halo, while suffered from restraints laid upon by Microsoft execs because of the Xbox's launch date, has a pretty sub-par narrative. Sure, there may be an amazing amount of depth to everything, but it's not apparent unless you do some research. Maybe the upcoming RTS game will change that.
As a First Person Shooter, however, as Quake and Doom before it, Half-Life is far better in regarding game mechanics.
So no, I wouldn't agree.
Edit: Didn't post that fast enough, apparently.
Oh to note, I got some plug ins for firefox I adore. Like, "wrap removal" and the ad-blocking mentioned. I also have a redirection annihilator.
To note, they're all fairly smart, they know when to let things through and when not. While some other's attempts at the same security measures just block everything all together, which is very useless.
As far as your comment on Halo: It's not a cut and dry question. First off, Half-Life has such a large community all over the planet that it's ridiculous, considering all facets that it envelops. It has the largest online game community on the planet through Counter Strike, alone.
If you want to go by sale figures: The overall Half-Life franchise (HL1, HL2, CS, DOD) has sold over 15 million units.
Halo 1 has sold a little over 5 million units worldwide and Halo 2 has sold 7 million. Which is three million units below Half-Life's sales.
As to what I 'think', not based on these numbers, I wouldn't agree. Half-Life revolutionized the second coming of First Person Shooters. It made way for Halo, in a sense. Unlike most people I think the narrative in the second Half-Life game is stronger, more concise, and overall, better. Halo, while suffered from restraints laid upon by Microsoft execs because of the Xbox's launch date, has a pretty sub-par narrative. Sure, there may be an amazing amount of depth to everything, but it's not apparent unless you do some research. Maybe the upcoming RTS game will change that.
As a First Person Shooter, however, as Quake and Doom before it, Half-Life is far better in regarding game mechanics.
So no, I wouldn't agree.
Edit: Didn't post that fast enough, apparently.
Oh to note, I got some plug ins for firefox I adore. Like, "wrap removal" and the ad-blocking mentioned. I also have a redirection annihilator.
To note, they're all fairly smart, they know when to let things through and when not. While some other's attempts at the same security measures just block everything all together, which is very useless.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:55am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 9:55am 2007
Wow reaper mate. Loosen up man. Take a chill pill. Anyway Crono I belive you about the xbox 360 chip. But I have to say that the ability to make custom content for Half-life 1 deffanatly bosted numbers. Most of the half-life sites you find on the interwebs are for modding half-life. Thats why I like half-life.
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Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by amanderino on Fri Jan 19th at 11:12am 2007
Posted by amanderino on Fri Jan 19th at 11:12am 2007
Wow, I leave home for a few hours and return to this. I read this whole thing over again and I still have no idea what you're trying to argue. As for the Mac thing: Mac's are beasts. The only time I've ever seen one not work so well is when the computer was having hardware issues, which was fixed within ten minutes.
Speaking of other operating systems; what else can support Steam and the games it provides? I'd hate to have to keep this garbage computer to play HL and to map (attempt, at least).
Speaking of other operating systems; what else can support Steam and the games it provides? I'd hate to have to keep this garbage computer to play HL and to map (attempt, at least).
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 11:23am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 11:23am 2007
Well Windows Xp Does, 2000 does, ME does, 98 Second Edition does and thats all I have tested. Well steams half-life 1 anyway
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by amanderino on Fri Jan 19th at 11:27am 2007
Posted by amanderino on Fri Jan 19th at 11:27am 2007
I suppose I should have specified: What non-Windows operating system will support Steam? I saw that omegaslayer had this posted in another threadIs bootcamp a Windows Live CD?
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Im afraid you'll s**t yourself when I say that im working off of an Apple computer. I run bootcamp windows so I can run steam and subsiquent games. Im one of the few who can run Halo on the computer without it so much as blinking.
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 11:33am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Jan 19th at 11:33am 2007
Oh non windows os's. I have no frikin idea
Re: QQ. A quick question from da_killa
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 12:16pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 19th at 12:16pm 2007
You can run a version of Unix or Linux with a DirectX emulator, such as Cedega, and run steam (as well as over 300 officially supported games), be aware that there is some overhead, since directX is being emulated (D3D calls, for example, are being reconstructed using OpenGL) But Valve's stuff is supported.
You can either pay a monthly fee of $5 for services, or compile some not so new code (the previous update, it's updated often) on your own and get it working.
Since, OSX is a version of Unix, this will work there as well.
Of course, there are games that already support Unix platforms from the get go, one title of which is Doom 3, I would imagine anything using the D3 engine would run on a Unix platform as well.
That's about your only option.
There are also Linux distributions that support Win32 code so they can run Windows applications. Of course, this assumes you're running an x86 architecture machine and not like a SPARC or PowerPC. (ARM, doubt it.)
You can either pay a monthly fee of $5 for services, or compile some not so new code (the previous update, it's updated often) on your own and get it working.
Since, OSX is a version of Unix, this will work there as well.
Of course, there are games that already support Unix platforms from the get go, one title of which is Doom 3, I would imagine anything using the D3 engine would run on a Unix platform as well.
That's about your only option.
There are also Linux distributions that support Win32 code so they can run Windows applications. Of course, this assumes you're running an x86 architecture machine and not like a SPARC or PowerPC. (ARM, doubt it.)
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
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