yea frenchy.. i misunderstood that at first. i wrote a big, mean post about how it's actually the conspiracy theorists that are using irrational fear and straw man arguments.. ... but that's what you meant in the first place! ha

i agree with frenchy, someone please mark this date and time for posterity.

bottom line here, imho? in 30 years, when im dead and gone, and world war three (started on sept 11, btw) is in its third decade of "life", and my kids are fighting the battles, they arent gonna give a flying s**t about who started it....you can take all your liberal conspiracy theories and stick em, and then theorise as to why yer walking funny

.....it makes no difference, it was gonna happen anyway.....

Doc B....

doc, he was fired for misrepresenting the company.. if someone was making stupid and all-around unknowledgeable statements, I wouldn't want that person working for me, either. in that letter alone, he's mistaken not only about the fire-proofing, but the melting points of steel. ..and this isn't some sort of opinion. these are scientific facts that he's wrong about.

NIST actually coordinated an investigation that consisted of experts from multiple fields, and from a scientific standpoint. call me gullible, but i'm willing to believe such a force of educated and experienced folks.

A fact sheet from the report can be found here, one of the entries that I think is more relevant right now is:

You present solid information. Although I have read all of that before, it still brings me to a question that I cannot find an answer for.

Since the buildings only burned for a very short time, was it enough time to cause the metal structure to bend and then cause the whole building to distintegrate? Was the fire hot enough not only to bend the steel, but also hot enough to cause the cement to implode as the building fell? Physics are manipulated in the fall of the three buildings that day. How can that be explained away? There are quite a few videos of the collapse of the buildings. I'm not sure how many you've seen, but this one shows where a MIT engineer and research scientist Jeff King details how the official government story violates the laws of physics and chemistry. He goes on to explain how the subsequent government investigations were designed NOT to uncover what happened. He also provides insight into what most likely happened that day

Sorry for misunderstanding, but it seemed like you didn't care. Kinda sounded, to me, like 'who cares either way,' and I took it that you meant you didn't care which caused me to want to know why when I knew you were a Veteran. I would fight for my country too, any day, and die for the truth, any day.

The good news is, other than Doc sending me a PM blaming me for all this..

He managed to continue to debate this, without me and still didn't gain an inch.

Now, was that because I was not necessary or....

Anyway.. I said all I can about my belief as to how the towers fell. I do not really think its got much to do with politics, OR a conspiracy. Unless you count the fact that the design of the towers was supposed to endure such a calamity and failed to achieve its goals.

If thats a conspiracy, perhaps its a New York one and as such, the people who approved the design should be investigated for neglect or bribery.

Doc, do not send any more Pm's that blame me for your problems. You were tussling with Frenchy before I arrived. I did however defend MYSELF and my BELIEF.. Sadly, as far as you're concerned, thats picking a fight with you... Instead of just accepting that its in opposition of the statement you made.

As far as this topic is concerned, my only regret is that Reaper backed me into a corner. Not how, but why. In defense of a worthless sack of s**t from Kansas.

*sighs*

Go ahead. You cannot do any more damage than you already have.

Next thing you know, you'll be discounting the moon landing or some other equally inane topic.

Consider yourself lucky that we allow such members as yourself to remain. Be equally lucky that I don't have the power to alter that perceptibly because I'd press the evict button on you in a second for all the problems you've initiated over your stay here.

Yup, I've cause my share of chaos, but my contributions to the positive far outstrip those.

Doc, I promise you. If I ever get the chance, you'll be gone. That I swear.

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