I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but I noticed this clip from a German current affairs show on Kotaku this morning, and thought it was a rather stark insight into how the German media look at games...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/nutty-german-current-affairs-story-239748.php
Re: The blame game.
Posted by ReNo on Tue Feb 27th at 11:48am 2007
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by ding on Tue Feb 27th at 6:25pm 2007
Posted by ding on Tue Feb 27th at 6:25pm 2007
Well that's what Germany is best known for in history, isn't it?
Having a mind twisting propaganda and blaming the wrong people/things for their misery.
I am 20 years of age and yes, I know what's good for me and what is not.
If you want to ban/censor games - do it! But keep them available for those who reached the age of 18+.
I rather ask for a specific US/UK-game in a store than buying Doom 4 with Bunny-Zombies and plastic guns.
Yes and stay away from drugs because they avoid the pleasure of enjoying your wonderful life sober.
Having a mind twisting propaganda and blaming the wrong people/things for their misery.
I am 20 years of age and yes, I know what's good for me and what is not.
If you want to ban/censor games - do it! But keep them available for those who reached the age of 18+.
I rather ask for a specific US/UK-game in a store than buying Doom 4 with Bunny-Zombies and plastic guns.
Yes and stay away from drugs because they avoid the pleasure of enjoying your wonderful life sober.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by French Toast on Tue Feb 27th at 8:54pm 2007
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Posted by French Toast on Tue Feb 27th at 8:54pm 2007
Yeah, but with drugs, you get to enjoy the pleasure of your wonderful life stoned.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by Naklajat on Tue Feb 27th at 9:42pm 2007
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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Feb 27th at 9:42pm 2007
As a general statement: too much of anything is a bad thing, and often one doesn't know how much is too much until after they've had way too much.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by Andrei on Tue Feb 27th at 10:22pm 2007
I couldn't stand to watch more than 1/3 of that video. I was simply overwhelmed by the amount of stupid per second that was being shoved in my face. It pains me that a certain asskissing government thinks that whatever the germans do is gold.
Posted by Andrei on Tue Feb 27th at 10:22pm 2007
? quote:
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but I noticed this clip from a German current affairs show on Kotaku this morning, and thought it was a rather stark insight into how the German media look at games...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/nutty-german-current-affairs-story-239748.php
http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/nutty-german-current-affairs-story-239748.php
I couldn't stand to watch more than 1/3 of that video. I was simply overwhelmed by the amount of stupid per second that was being shoved in my face. It pains me that a certain asskissing government thinks that whatever the germans do is gold.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Feb 27th at 10:25pm 2007
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Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Feb 27th at 10:25pm 2007
I think what's particularly interesting is how Germany seems to be dodging this bullet on question:
Violence exists, it can't be hidden. Sometimes to do good things (exagerated example: Save the universe) there is violence.
Would germany rather sensor out some kind of compelling story with a hero who does all of mankind a favor simply on a count of that there's violence in it? Excuse me, but violence has existed in virtually everything. Is germany going to ban books next?
/rants
@Andrei: I managed to survive about a minute of that tripe before I had to turn it off. Do I get a reward?
edit: Why on earth is all my text being formated into oddly shaped paragraphs?
Violence exists, it can't be hidden. Sometimes to do good things (exagerated example: Save the universe) there is violence.
Would germany rather sensor out some kind of compelling story with a hero who does all of mankind a favor simply on a count of that there's violence in it? Excuse me, but violence has existed in virtually everything. Is germany going to ban books next?
/rants
@Andrei: I managed to survive about a minute of that tripe before I had to turn it off. Do I get a reward?
edit: Why on earth is all my text being formated into oddly shaped paragraphs?
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by Andrei on Tue Feb 27th at 10:31pm 2007
Yes, a big box of laxatives, to help you digest the stupid.![<img src=]()
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Do I get a reward?
Yes, a big box of laxatives, to help you digest the stupid.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by Stadric on Wed Feb 28th at 3:23am 2007
Posted by Stadric on Wed Feb 28th at 3:23am 2007
From Family Guy
*Brian and Stewie are on a guided tour of Germany*
Brian: Wait, in this brochure, there's nothing written from 1935 to 1945.
German Tour Guide: Nothing happened!
Brain: Germany invaded Poland in -
Guide: We were invited! Punch was served, check with Poland!
Yes, a big box of laxatives, to help you digest the stupid.
I thought those were to get the stupid out of your system faster.
*Brian and Stewie are on a guided tour of Germany*
Brian: Wait, in this brochure, there's nothing written from 1935 to 1945.
German Tour Guide: Nothing happened!
Brain: Germany invaded Poland in -
Guide: We were invited! Punch was served, check with Poland!
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Do I get a reward?
Yes, a big box of laxatives, to help you digest the stupid.
I thought those were to get the stupid out of your system faster.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by Andrei on Wed Feb 28th at 10:06am 2007
Posted by Andrei on Wed Feb 28th at 10:06am 2007
To quicken the final stages of digestion then .
I remember that quote, and the fact that the tour guide got up and gave the nazi salute while yelling something in german (too fast for me to understand, but he ended with "we will not let anyone insult germany" methinks).
I remember the media here jumping on the blame-game bandwagon a few years ago, but they never got beyond showing some screens from counter strike and having some dumbass psychologist chanting about how these people (gamers) enjoy themselves by killing others with guns. All in all, it made gamers look like disturbed freaks who masturbate at the thought of blood.
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I remember that quote, and the fact that the tour guide got up and gave the nazi salute while yelling something in german (too fast for me to understand, but he ended with "we will not let anyone insult germany" methinks).
I remember the media here jumping on the blame-game bandwagon a few years ago, but they never got beyond showing some screens from counter strike and having some dumbass psychologist chanting about how these people (gamers) enjoy themselves by killing others with guns. All in all, it made gamers look like disturbed freaks who masturbate at the thought of blood.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Feb 28th at 10:13pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Feb 28th at 10:13pm 2007
I might read the book you're talking about, Tracer.
What really irritates me about this discussion is the sensationalism of it. It's too easy.
I really don't know if "pulling the trigger" is that much of a barrier for a psychopath. I mean barrier enough to need a computer-game to "unlock" it. If 85% of soldiers didn't fire at their enemy in WW2 then there are 15% that did. Did so without the later developed training methods. I think most psychopaths were likely in this group. Statistics can be bend in any direction.
You know, the only argument that really bothers me, the only one that can't be knocked over lightly is that this kind of seemingly motiveless shooting in schools all occurred with the rise of violent 3D computer games. Yes, there were others, but none of this kind. The columbine shooters did map for Doom (this always gives me goosebumps).
The only explanation I can think of is that the motives weren't the "joy" of killing innocents but the idea of getting "famous". The time was coincident with the rise of the Internet and the latest revolutions in informations technology. I think that never before a student could think of himself of being "heard" by the world so clearly. They planned it as a big, global event, that I think a student in th 70ies couldn't have even imagined.
All other school shootings since then have clearly been inspired by Columbine, sadly it's no surprise there were copycats. So listing shootings since them doesn't really make sense because most of them did all the things the media wrote about, even things that weren't true (such as re-building the school in a 3D-editor in order to "plan" the attack). So many of the media-hyped horror-stories became self-fulfilling prophecies.
What really irritates me about this discussion is the sensationalism of it. It's too easy.
I really don't know if "pulling the trigger" is that much of a barrier for a psychopath. I mean barrier enough to need a computer-game to "unlock" it. If 85% of soldiers didn't fire at their enemy in WW2 then there are 15% that did. Did so without the later developed training methods. I think most psychopaths were likely in this group. Statistics can be bend in any direction.
You know, the only argument that really bothers me, the only one that can't be knocked over lightly is that this kind of seemingly motiveless shooting in schools all occurred with the rise of violent 3D computer games. Yes, there were others, but none of this kind. The columbine shooters did map for Doom (this always gives me goosebumps).
The only explanation I can think of is that the motives weren't the "joy" of killing innocents but the idea of getting "famous". The time was coincident with the rise of the Internet and the latest revolutions in informations technology. I think that never before a student could think of himself of being "heard" by the world so clearly. They planned it as a big, global event, that I think a student in th 70ies couldn't have even imagined.
All other school shootings since then have clearly been inspired by Columbine, sadly it's no surprise there were copycats. So listing shootings since them doesn't really make sense because most of them did all the things the media wrote about, even things that weren't true (such as re-building the school in a 3D-editor in order to "plan" the attack). So many of the media-hyped horror-stories became self-fulfilling prophecies.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by French Toast on Wed Feb 28th at 10:22pm 2007
Yeah, but that probably means dick. I bet they rode skateboards. Clearly that's why they did it.
These people had a problem far separate from video games, and there has always been teenage angst. My theory is instead of cutting of access to video games, CUT OFF ACCESS TO ASSAULT RIFLES. Why are people in a roar about video games? There are 15 year olds with automatic rifles.
That's the problem.
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Posted by French Toast on Wed Feb 28th at 10:22pm 2007
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The columbine shooters did map for Doom (this always gives me goosebumps).
Yeah, but that probably means dick. I bet they rode skateboards. Clearly that's why they did it.
These people had a problem far separate from video games, and there has always been teenage angst. My theory is instead of cutting of access to video games, CUT OFF ACCESS TO ASSAULT RIFLES. Why are people in a roar about video games? There are 15 year olds with automatic rifles.
That's the problem.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Feb 28th at 10:44pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Feb 28th at 10:44pm 2007
Like I said, the only coincidence is the timeline.
I'd like to find the core of this whole discussion and from what I found so far it's the time.
Like you said, FPS games and even mapping is probably as common as skateboarding today.
I'd like to find the core of this whole discussion and from what I found so far it's the time.
Like you said, FPS games and even mapping is probably as common as skateboarding today.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by G.Ballblue on Wed Feb 28th at 11:37pm 2007
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Posted by G.Ballblue on Wed Feb 28th at 11:37pm 2007
While this is somewhat off topic, I would quickly like to say that their Doom maps were average anyway. 
So there's no need to get goosebumps or worry about it. I played one of them, it was a whole lot of meh, nothing special. Forgot about 1 hour later.
So there's no need to get goosebumps or worry about it. I played one of them, it was a whole lot of meh, nothing special. Forgot about 1 hour later.G.Ballblue
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by fishy on Thu Mar 1st at 12:25am 2007
Posted by fishy on Thu Mar 1st at 12:25am 2007
they should make books illegal too. far too much violence in books.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 1st at 3:36am 2007
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 1st at 3:36am 2007
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they should make books illegal too. far too much violence in books.
f**k while we're at it lets champaign to abolish marriage. There's far more violence witnessed by children through that medium than all the video games combined. 
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Re: The blame game.
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f**k while we're at it lets champaign to abolish marriage. There's far more violence witnessed by children through that medium than all the video games combined.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Mar 1st at 12:11pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Mar 1st at 12:11pm 2007
hehe... thanks, guys, for cheering me up. I think I can digest the situation now, order a new copy of HL (won't cost me a fortune) and continue happily.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by pepper on Thu Mar 1st at 2:59pm 2007
Posted by pepper on Thu Mar 1st at 2:59pm 2007
I think you acidentaly locked the gore content, everything is fine in my install.
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Re: The blame game.
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Mar 1st at 3:09pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Mar 1st at 3:09pm 2007
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No, I think I have the worst case scenario for this regarding game versions/Steam licensing and serial numbers. It's a problem with game versions Steam runs under a "German" license. Living in Germany doesn't seem to have much to do with it.
No, I think I have the worst case scenario for this regarding game versions/Steam licensing and serial numbers. It's a problem with game versions Steam runs under a "German" license. Living in Germany doesn't seem to have much to do with it.
Re: The blame game.
Posted by pepper on Thu Mar 1st at 3:26pm 2007
Posted by pepper on Thu Mar 1st at 3:26pm 2007
That sucks badly!
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