I think my main point is, There are HL communities still plenty active. So I don't think necessarily that Snarkpit is dying simply because of Half-Life.

I think Snarkpit is dying because of its lack of initiative alone. IMO, had source lived up to Snarkpit standards, Snarkpit would still be at least as striving as it once was. It seems to me that we set our hopes to much on one particular venue of HL2 and when it failed to materialize, all our collective attitudes failed with it.

Even if we decide to stay with HL singularly, some how we will need to motivate enough of our vocal/active members to make people want to be here.

If Snarkpit were dying simply because of HL alone, all HL communities would be dying and I just don't see that happening.

Somehow, even if you totally disagree with me, there must be a reason for our decline in spite of HL still being active.

Perhaps it is simply our age. Snarkpit was made up of very young members 5 years ago. Snarkpits members have aged a bit and now the other sites with very young are active.

I really don't want the kids back here, but it would be nice to have the twinkle in their eyes back.

general banter.

• Its our home, and we're used to it
  
• It's been built up over years and years, archiving our history
  
• It incorporates a whole lot of features that none of the rival sites offer
  
• I don't think any of us here have the ability, nor time/inclination to learn the ability, to translate those features to a new site

I had an idea for a multi-game mapping site. Lep talked me out of it.

I still think its a good idea, but since it would require someone gifted in web design I am inclined to stay with leps advice and not furthering it.

I even had a name, but won't post it openly, because it may not mean much to someone, but could be borrowed, just to cause me grief.

I would be willing to discuss anything privately,via irc or something with the admin and anyone they pic to discuss this hypothetical new website.

My main objective for this discussion is simple, and unavoidable so:

Lep has 100% of the site. No question as to why since he worked his ass off but, it also leave us 100% at his whim.

He could say fukkit and that would end our debating once and for all.

I don't fault Lep for his goals, but I am bothered that not one single replacement could be located since 2001.

The way I see this is, something as simple as our host screwing us again could end Snarkpit, because we are not even sure that the backups are taking place anymore.

If Snarkpit had to switch tomorrow, would we have a currently backed up website? I'm thinking its doubtful. We lost hosts before. Makes you wonder, and scared.