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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by parakeet on Tue Apr 17th at 12:16am 2007


There are 32 dead today, in the largest one man shooting in America at VT... Please pray for them.. If you don't pray, give a moment of silence in reverence to those that died...

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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by OtZman on Tue Apr 17th at 7:04am 2007


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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Gwil on Tue Apr 17th at 12:34pm 2007


Another tragic chapter in a history of school gun crime in the USA. Very sad indeed.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by OtZman on Tue Apr 17th at 12:53pm 2007


Just read about it in the paper, apparently the number is up to 33 dead and 30 wounded. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">

It's horrible that so many young people with their entire lives in front of them had to die.







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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by DocRock on Tue Apr 17th at 2:39pm 2007


Just another black-op. Sad they need to do things like this for gun control.


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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Gwil on Tue Apr 17th at 3:57pm 2007


I really don't think is the time to be espousing conspiracy theories Doc. That's to say nothing of the fact that any conspiracy theory can be quickly explained by the statistics on mental health (worldwide) and the loose gun laws in the USA. 2 + 2 really does equal 4 this time. Not everything is a conspiracy.



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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by fishy on Tue Apr 17th at 4:10pm 2007


no, the sad thing is Christmas morning, birthdays etc. for more than 30 families.

The fact that there's ass-hats from every corner that can't see this past their own agendas is frightening, not sad.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by DocRock on Tue Apr 17th at 4:46pm 2007


Dunno, just seems odd that not even 6 months ago, at that college, they were talking about the need for gun control there.

And then boom. Look what happened.

Coincidence or conspiracy... needs to be questioned further, IMO.

? posted by fishy
The fact that there's ass-hats from every corner that can't see this past their own agendas is frightening, not sad.

- doesn't that statement go both ways, bro?




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Adam Hawkins on Tue Apr 17th at 5:06pm 2007


Conspiracies can be found in anything if you are looking for them - fact is most of them are a load of bollocks mate. Now is not the time to be spouting these theories, whether there's truth in them or not.

People have needlessly died, show some damn respect.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Naklajat on Tue Apr 17th at 5:20pm 2007


/debates internally whether or not to post...

A lot more than 30 people die early, violent, unjust deaths every day, leaving sad family and friends, and there's still more people than the Earth can realistically support given our current level of energy inefficiency and greed. I'll try to get around to shedding a tear, no promises though. I probably would if I knew any of them, but I don't so I probably won't.



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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Bewbies on Tue Apr 17th at 9:46pm 2007


this is hardly the time or place to spew your conformity-driven filth, doc. shoo, shoo


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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Apr 17th at 10:17pm 2007


Government-induced school-shootings conspiracies? Ok, that really isn't sane anymore.





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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by OtZman on Wed Apr 18th at 8:51am 2007


? quoting DocRock
Dunno, just seems odd that not even 6 months ago, at that college, they were talking about the need for gun control there.

And then boom. Look what happened.

Coincidence or conspiracy... needs to be questioned further, IMO.


I think I read in the paper that shots had been fired at the school before, which could be the reason for talk about gun control.







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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Flynn on Wed Apr 18th at 10:47am 2007


Words cannot describe how traumatising it would be for those who witnessed it and how sad it was for those who perished


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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by DocRock on Wed Apr 18th at 1:23pm 2007


? quoting Bewbies
this is hardly the time or place to spew your conformity-driven filth, doc. shoo, shoo

Hmm, I thought this was a forum where we discussed things generally.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Bewbies on Wed Apr 18th at 2:37pm 2007


tact and general decency are generally preferred. why the f**k would you think it's ok to post this nonsense..? and so soon after its happened? i'm beginning to think you do this out of shock value; not because you believe any of it.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by DocRock on Wed Apr 18th at 2:56pm 2007


You're entitled to your opinion, bro, just like the rest of us. Nope, I don't post it because of shock value. And I sure as hell don't post it to make fun of anyone who suffers because of it.

I posted because I thought it was a black-op. Just like Columbine and all the other stupid events where innocents were murdered to justify an end. My opinion has been stated: they did it because they want gun control.

When people die, more and more innocent people are convinced to give up freedoms so they don't die the same way.

It's a white-wash and a farce. These people died needlessly.

Look whats happening now all over the world: WE NEED MORE GUN CONTROL! WE NEED TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! WE NEED TO SURRENDER TO THE GOVERNMENT SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF US BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET SHOT ON THE STREET!

Me? I sure as hell ain't giving up my right to bear arms. I wanna defend myself just like the next guy. But if they keep running these black-ops, they're gonna "convince everyone" that we need to give up our guns.

Sorry, I'm keeping my gun til the end.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Apr 18th at 3:51pm 2007


That guy wasn't even from the US - and was in a mental institution 16 months before.





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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by Bewbies on Wed Apr 18th at 3:54pm 2007


? quote:
'He Could Be a School Shooter'

A Virginia Tech professor said Cho's work in creative-writing class was so disturbing that he had been referred to the school's counseling service.

Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman.

But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws.

Professor Roy told the New York Times she tutored Cho individually in the fall of 2005 after his writings and behavior had intimidated his classmates.

During the sessions, she said, he wore sunglasses and a baseball cap pulled low on his forehead.

"He seemed to be crying behind his sunglasses," Roy told the newspaper.

She also said she had been so worried about tutoring Cho that she developed a plan with her assistant ? if she mentioned the name of a dead professor, the assistant would know to call campus security.

The Web site The Smoking Gun on Tuesday posted a play Cho allegedly wrote last year. Entitled "Richard McBeef," the violent, possibly darkly comic one-act play concerns an argument between the title character and his 13-year-old stepson, who accuses him of murdering his father and of pedophilia.

The play seems sympathetic to the stepfather, who tries to defend himself in vain against his wife and stepson's accusations. It ends on an ambiguous note, with the stepfather swinging a "deadly blow" at the boy.

"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare," former classmate Ian MacFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an AOL Web site.

"The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of."

He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."

Poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told a cable news channel Wednesday that her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior that she had security check on her room and eventually had him taken out of her class.

Some students had stopped coming to class, saying Cho was taking photos of them with his cell phone, she said.

Giovanni told the Washington Post that after one instance when Cho recited his poetry in class, seven out of 70 students showed up for the next meeting.

She asked about the absences, and was told the other students were afraid of Cho.

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," Giovanni said of his writing. "At first I thought, OK, he's trying to see what the parameters are. Kids curse and talk about a lot of different things. He stayed in that spot. I said, 'You can't do that.' He said, 'Yes, I can.' I said, 'No, not in my class.'"

"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."

A Virginia Tech police spokesman said Tuesday Cho had been issued a speeding ticket on April 7 for driving at 44 mph in a 25-mph zone on campus. His court date was set for May 23.

Cho has not been tied to two campus bomb threats in the past three weeks, but a note detailing a third bomb threat was found near the bodies in Norris Hall.

On Wednesday morning, yet another bomb threat had campus police evacuate Burrus Hall, another school building.

this isn't a matter of opinion. it's a matter of tragic facts. students visually identified the shooter as they ran for their lives. these weren't black-ops commandos, it was a seriously messed up and deluded individual. (you should be able to relate.) did he have some sort of mind-control chip planted in his head leading to the shootings? maybe that'd make your theory actually make sense.

as for gun control ... i'll put it this way: if any one of those victims happened to also be carrying a gun, there could have been return fire. victim #4 could have shot Cho dead, and ended the ordeal before 28 more had to die. people need to be able to protect themselves.




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Re: VT Shooting
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Apr 18th at 4:02pm 2007


Sorry for being so European, but if anyone carried a gun all the times, there'd be hundreds of "snap out" moments with people getting shot. Maybe an armed guy guarding the campus or something.

But the cold war style "if we both got nukes, everything is balanced" attitude is wrong IMO.







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