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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Apr 20th at 5:32am 2007

So what do you think about this idea?

So someone makes a s**tty starting couple of rooms... and the first contest is to improve it, you know, something you can do in a couple weekends of free time. So the winner of that get's their version official... Their map becomes the next base. And the next contest is to add a bit more to the starting few rooms. And the winner of that gets their map (with the original winner's map) as the new official map.

And so on, until we have a complete map (or series of maps)


And judging would be on quality, texturing, layout, how well it blends with the rest of the map, etc.


So what do you think?


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Posted by Stadric on Fri Apr 20th at 6:38am 2007

I voted in favor of you passing the pipe towards me.
It could work, but we would probably spend too much time deciding on the base map. If you've got a good one in mind (or we could ask someone from facepunch to do it (meaning no disrespect, but FP's standards are way below ours)), I'd go with that.
This type of thing would be great for teaching proper mapping techniques, so I'm in favor of it in theory.


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Posted by BlisTer on Fri Apr 20th at 7:33am 2007

i like it, as it basically thrives on what always makes a competition fail; lack of motivation to complete a map.

Here you simply start, and where ever it takes you, once you lose interest you submit. Because we build on previous builds, the final product will idd be a fairly completed map. It will also feel like a snarkpit group project.

If there's enough interest you should team up with Orph to set the wheels in motion. Maybe set out to search for a base map already.

Also it might be best to adress the issue of HL1 vs HL2 in the early stages.





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Posted by reaper47 on Fri Apr 20th at 5:45pm 2007

My view on competitions has changed when I found this 1024 Units HL2DM competition thread over at mapcore.

That's the right way to start and hold a competition IMO:

Wanna do it? Yes? OK, to participate - participate please. Screenshots in this thread.

No negotiation. No compromises. Nothing complicated.

If they just weren't such a pro-mapper club. :/


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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Apr 20th at 8:33pm 2007

Well sure, that is a good way to do contests. But is it the only way? I don't think so.


As for the map, I don't know about you, but I can throw together a s**tty map with naught but dev textures in like 10 minutes. A bit longer in hl1, but then, I don't have a dev texture I can apply to everything, and I'm obsessibe compulsive about it at least looking textured right if using real textures...



And HL2 vs HL1... HL1 would be easier, it is simpler than source mapping, but I'd prefer it to be for HL2, for just that reason


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Posted by ReNo on Fri Apr 20th at 8:39pm 2007

It worked wonderfully at Mapcore reaper, but they are a far more active community than we are here, regardless of how "pro" or otherwise the place is.

I think that your idea is pretty damn cool actually Fjorn - I'd almost certainly have a crack at it. I'd be up for throwing together a quick starting map too if people wanted - nothing too complex, but a basic room layout with some ideas for people to build upon.



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Fri Apr 20th at 8:42pm 2007

i dont know duncan....are you qualified for the task bro?...*****runs like hell.... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

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Posted by Naklajat on Fri Apr 20th at 9:09pm 2007

/votes yes

Questions:
What kind of time frame are we looking at here?
Who judges the winner? would it be an open vote?
What about restrictions how much people can add?
Thoughts on allowing custom content?


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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Apr 20th at 9:22pm 2007

What kind of time frame are we looking at here?
Well, I think it'd be around a month or so per section.

Who judges the winner? would it be an open vote?
Judging... If someone like Orph was willing to judge, that'd be awesome
If not... I don't see why an open vote wouldn't be the next best option

What about restrictions how much people can add?
For the first section It'd be limited to the starting map, you'd have to keep the same starting layout, but you can add doors, split a room into two rooms, etc.
For the rest... I'd say as much as you wanted, it just has to attach the the previous rooms some how (even if its just 1 door... or 3 pathways...)

Thoughts on allowing custom content?
I personally have no problem with this. However, the custom content would have to be made available if the person who added it won the current section, so that others can use the same content to blend with the previous area(s)


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Posted by ReNo on Fri Apr 20th at 11:34pm 2007

Keep it tighter than a month I think - two weeks would be better for small scale improvements I think.



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Posted by FatStrings on Sat Apr 21st at 1:22am 2007

voted one, wanted to vote three as well, that's some inspirational stuff as far as I'm concerned



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Posted by RedWood on Sat Apr 21st at 4:19am 2007

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Keep it tighter than a month I think - two weeks would be better for small scale improvements I think.
Agreed. Plus I don't want to wait 7 months to ever get my had on it.



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Posted by Fjorn on Sat Apr 21st at 4:25am 2007

okay, so time limit... starts on a friday and ends the 3rd sunday after that (16 days with 3 weekends) judging is monday to thursday, next stage starts up the next friday



That sound good to everyone?


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Posted by Riven on Sat Apr 21st at 4:53am 2007

Fine with me; who goes first?


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Posted by Fjorn on Sat Apr 21st at 5:21am 2007

oh, and one more thing needs decided... hl2sp or hl2dm?


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Posted by Naklajat on Sat Apr 21st at 6:25am 2007

I had been thinking HL2DM, but now that you mention it this format could work really well for a single player map! Single player has my vote.


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Posted by Fjorn on Sat Apr 21st at 6:33am 2007

Yeah, I thought of it as a SP map, but I know snarkpit likes the dm maps <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">


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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Apr 21st at 11:37am 2007

I forgot to make it clear that I do like your idea, Fjorn. I just brought an example that impressed me.

I also don't think of being "pro" as something negative, I just remember those maps, full of custom Maya modeling and high-res, normal-mapped custom textures over at mapcore which made me feel kinda helpless. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> But the competition I mentioned is default textures/models only for example.

My point is: Maybe just starting the thing, looking what happens and keeping it all in a nice, simple, thread is better than discussing it to death. Your idea is great, Fjorn. Just make a starting thread for it and you've done everything for it you can and it's up to us to make it work. Everyone can make a front-page news post on the 'pit so spreading the word shouldn't be the problem. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">


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Posted by Fjorn on Sat Apr 21st at 10:56pm 2007

reasonable enough


Edit: I'll start it up soon then, as soon as I get a starting map for the contest. I believe ReNo offered to do that, so when he gets that done...


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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Apr 24th at 9:52pm 2007

<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/poke.gif">


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