If there comes a time that XP isnt good enough to do what I want it to, I'm switching to Linux. Does anyone know if theres a Linux version of Matlab? If there is, games are the only thing I'd lose in the transition, and there are games for Linux out there anyway.
Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by wil5on on Sun Aug 5th at 4:54am 2007
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Andrei on Sun Aug 5th at 4:54am 2007
Posted by Andrei on Sun Aug 5th at 4:54am 2007
I used vista for a while before switching to win2000, which seemed almost like a blessing after the troubles i've had with it. IMHO vista is pretty much a polished turd which fixes some bugs but adds a crap load of new ones. For instance the annoying limited-connectivity-for-no-real-facking-reason bug. All in all, it's just as unstable as XP (though the earlier builds are even buggier than system X), laggier, but pweeeeeeety.
Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Stadric on Sun Aug 5th at 5:39am 2007
Posted by Stadric on Sun Aug 5th at 5:39am 2007
At this point in the cycle of monoply, is there any reason to not just learn how to use Linux once they get DX10 running on it?
I don't know how OSes work, and I won't pretend to, but isn't there some way to, like the JVM, get the Vista compilers onto any other piece of hardware, including desktop computers with another OS?
I don't know how OSes work, and I won't pretend to, but isn't there some way to, like the JVM, get the Vista compilers onto any other piece of hardware, including desktop computers with another OS?
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 5th at 6:10am 2007
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 5th at 6:10am 2007
It's not even close to being that simple. No one outside of Microsoft knows their code well enough to do it. The best alternative is Cedega and they're doing guess and check work based on behavior. The nasty thing about Microsoft though, is .NET. There is a method in .NET that encodes the binaries produced to such a degree that they are NOT feasibly reverse engineer-able. So, you can't even do a memory dump to look at what's going on, because things are so jumbled.
That aspect works perfectly ... but all the stuff we really need: "Buy Vista" says the MS rep.
Bunch of assholes.
The good news is, if you like id, most all of their stuff runs on Linux without any emulation.
That aspect works perfectly ... but all the stuff we really need: "Buy Vista" says the MS rep.
Bunch of assholes.
The good news is, if you like id, most all of their stuff runs on Linux without any emulation.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Stadric on Sun Aug 5th at 7:10pm 2007
Posted by Stadric on Sun Aug 5th at 7:10pm 2007
I guess I'll just dual boot with Vista and OS X or Linux when the time comes. *pats monitor*
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 6th at 8:25am 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 6th at 8:25am 2007
@ otzman : Well I have tried Windows 95 all the way to Vista. Also Imac and I've seen some screen shots of linux. Anyways if I'm wrong sorry but this is my theory as to why Microsoft Os's have so many bugs, this does not apply to Vista. Its because they are so customisable. People can create very easily all sorts of programs and smart little applications in a wide range of languages and alter things very easily. Cracks for games are all easily made we can crack dvd and all sorts of stuff. The downside to this is all the bugs and how easy it is to screw the os. I mean look at some totally different like Linux or Mac. Now don't quote me on this but can you really do as much, change as much, create as much and use as much as you can on Microsoft OS's? Or at least as easy?
As I said does not apply to Vista.
Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 9:19am 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 9:19am 2007
I probably shouldn't ... but I'll ask anyway, for s**ts and giggles: What could possibly be so "unique", "customizable", and implore freedom of use that it is only available, no, possible, on a Microsoft OS? In this case, specifically, Vista?
I like how your opinion of the all encompassing "Linux" is based on screenshots ... such a complete evaluation could only be ascertained in that manner.
[comments]No bugs in "Vista", huh? So that must be why my laptop keeps getting page reference and kernel errors. Yeah, must bet that LACK of bugs.[/comments]
I like how your opinion of the all encompassing "Linux" is based on screenshots ... such a complete evaluation could only be ascertained in that manner.
[comments]No bugs in "Vista", huh? So that must be why my laptop keeps getting page reference and kernel errors. Yeah, must bet that LACK of bugs.[/comments]
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 6th at 10:07am 2007
. Vista sucks.
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 6th at 10:07am 2007
. Vista sucks.
Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Stadric on Mon Aug 6th at 5:19pm 2007
Posted by Stadric on Mon Aug 6th at 5:19pm 2007
Here I was thinking that some sort of open source OS would be most customizable.
If only one of those existed...![<img src=]()
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If only one of those existed...
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Aug 6th at 5:53pm 2007
Its not that windows was designed to be customizable arron. Its that windows is such a poorly designed OS, that its easy to hack or trick it into doing what you want it to do. Thats why its so open to viruses, Trojans, etc.
I think at one point window's source was leaked (as everything is in this world), and some of the code comments aka:
while(1) {
cout << "bla bla"; //this is a comment
}
were along the lines of "this better f**king work" or "im gonna kill myself if this doesnt work".
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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Aug 6th at 5:53pm 2007
? quote:
Its because they are so customisable. People can create very easily all sorts of programs and smart little applications in a wide range of languages and alter things very easily. Cracks for games are all easily made we can crack dvd and all sorts of stuff.
Its not that windows was designed to be customizable arron. Its that windows is such a poorly designed OS, that its easy to hack or trick it into doing what you want it to do. Thats why its so open to viruses, Trojans, etc.
? quote:
Here I was thinking that some sort of open source OS would be most customizable.
If only one of those existed...![<img src=]()
" SRC="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif">
If only one of those existed...
I think at one point window's source was leaked (as everything is in this world), and some of the code comments aka:
while(1) {
cout << "bla bla"; //this is a comment
}
were along the lines of "this better f**king work" or "im gonna kill myself if this doesnt work".
Makes you think huh? these are the genuises running our world...
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Cash Car Star on Mon Aug 6th at 6:55pm 2007
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Posted by Cash Car Star on Mon Aug 6th at 6:55pm 2007
Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed Windows was more prone to viruses
was due to the fact that more people are putting effort into writing
viruses for it. When you get down to it, viruses are created by
somebody, for some reason. They don't just appear out of
nowhere. I can think of three main reasons:
1. Outright Maliciousness
2. Scammery/Shady Business
3. To Prove They're Smart Enough To Make One (aka The Atom Bomb)
If your intent is to make a Trojan that will record keystrokes to which you will attempt to glean credit card numbers from, you're going to want to design it for the people making online purchases in the most relaxed, carefree manner possible. Therefore, you design for Windows. You're not going to steal many credit card numbers writing a virus for FreeBSD.
Likewise, if you're trying for outright maliciousness, again your target will be the broad, careless populace and therefore Windows.
Only those trying to show off how smart they are might develop viruses for other OSes. And, of the three, this motive is the one most likely to belong to someone who will say "Hehe, look what I did! This is how I was able to do it and this is how you can fix it."
Basically, it is Windows' position as the primary OS amongst the non-tech savvy, and not its merits as an OS, that make it a primary target of viruses. Likewise, this argument should not be misconstrued to be vindicative of Windows' merits as an OS.
1. Outright Maliciousness
2. Scammery/Shady Business
3. To Prove They're Smart Enough To Make One (aka The Atom Bomb)
If your intent is to make a Trojan that will record keystrokes to which you will attempt to glean credit card numbers from, you're going to want to design it for the people making online purchases in the most relaxed, carefree manner possible. Therefore, you design for Windows. You're not going to steal many credit card numbers writing a virus for FreeBSD.
Likewise, if you're trying for outright maliciousness, again your target will be the broad, careless populace and therefore Windows.
Only those trying to show off how smart they are might develop viruses for other OSes. And, of the three, this motive is the one most likely to belong to someone who will say "Hehe, look what I did! This is how I was able to do it and this is how you can fix it."
Basically, it is Windows' position as the primary OS amongst the non-tech savvy, and not its merits as an OS, that make it a primary target of viruses. Likewise, this argument should not be misconstrued to be vindicative of Windows' merits as an OS.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by OtZman on Mon Aug 6th at 7:47pm 2007
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Posted by OtZman on Mon Aug 6th at 7:47pm 2007
? quoting aaron_da_killa
@ otzman : Well I have tried Windows 95 all the way to Vista. Also Imac and I've seen some screen shots of linux.
You can't possibly mean that you know what it's like using linux just from looking at some screenshots?
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 8:55pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 8:55pm 2007
For the most part: yeah. Windows is targeted because of the amount of people that use it. But it is so much easier to "break into" a Windows system.
On a Linux machine you cannot write ANYTHING to protected portions of the operating system (everything but your personal space). The reason why, is simply this: you don't have the permissions to write there (unlike Windows where you most likely have Administrator access at all times).
Linux systems can become vulnerable to viruses if left in an unprotected state (Root access), and various other methods. Keep in mind that almost all of the viruses are written for the x86 architecture ... not Windows specifically. The method in which they infect the computer is most likely Windows specific, but it can infect anything running that same hardware (based on hardware, there's even a possibility to do this to more current intel CPU based macs).
The issue is that Windows has insecurities in vital areas (like the kernel) and Microsoft applications actively give open ports to whatever fools it (IE, for instance).
You can still use AV and Firewall with Linux to make it even more secure. Of course, none of this is 100% hack-proof, but it's far better than purposefully letting in harmful incoming traffic and allowing it to directly write to kernel memory space, for example.
On a Linux machine you cannot write ANYTHING to protected portions of the operating system (everything but your personal space). The reason why, is simply this: you don't have the permissions to write there (unlike Windows where you most likely have Administrator access at all times).
Linux systems can become vulnerable to viruses if left in an unprotected state (Root access), and various other methods. Keep in mind that almost all of the viruses are written for the x86 architecture ... not Windows specifically. The method in which they infect the computer is most likely Windows specific, but it can infect anything running that same hardware (based on hardware, there's even a possibility to do this to more current intel CPU based macs).
The issue is that Windows has insecurities in vital areas (like the kernel) and Microsoft applications actively give open ports to whatever fools it (IE, for instance).
You can still use AV and Firewall with Linux to make it even more secure. Of course, none of this is 100% hack-proof, but it's far better than purposefully letting in harmful incoming traffic and allowing it to directly write to kernel memory space, for example.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by OtZman on Mon Aug 6th at 10:23pm 2007
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Posted by OtZman on Mon Aug 6th at 10:23pm 2007
If I've understood correctly there are different versions of linux, some of them more user friendly than others. Are there any versions that are about as "user friendly" as Windows (i.e. similar to Win with a similar user interface etc), and about as easy to install and manage?
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 10:34pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 6th at 10:34pm 2007
Ubuntu, Red Hat, and SuSE are all pretty user friendly, I would personally go with Ubuntu.
The downside is it only supports debian packages, while most "binary" linux stuff is in RPM package format. The good news is, there's a package manager that links up to Ubuntu's servers and allows you to download pretty much anything available for the OS and automatically installs it and puts it in an easy to find launch location under applications.
Most everything will work from installation (sharing files and printing to windows based machines and printers included AND easy to set up wireless!).
It also allows you to find out about problems quickly with the desktop search. If Ubuntu could seamlessly run DX applications I wouldn't use Windows at all.
I'm thinking when the time comes, I'll have a machine set for dual boot, games will have a Vista partition, while the rest of the machine is Ubuntu.
The downside is it only supports debian packages, while most "binary" linux stuff is in RPM package format. The good news is, there's a package manager that links up to Ubuntu's servers and allows you to download pretty much anything available for the OS and automatically installs it and puts it in an easy to find launch location under applications.
Most everything will work from installation (sharing files and printing to windows based machines and printers included AND easy to set up wireless!).
It also allows you to find out about problems quickly with the desktop search. If Ubuntu could seamlessly run DX applications I wouldn't use Windows at all.
I'm thinking when the time comes, I'll have a machine set for dual boot, games will have a Vista partition, while the rest of the machine is Ubuntu.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by OtZman on Tue Aug 7th at 2:37am 2007
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Posted by OtZman on Tue Aug 7th at 2:37am 2007
Does this mean that most/all non DX10 applications run well on Ubuntu/linux?
EDIT:
I had a brief look at the Ubuntu website, and I'm tempted to give it a try right away. If I install it on the same computer as Windows, I'll get to choose which one to boot at startup just like when I have installed Win twice, right?
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by diablo on Tue Aug 7th at 6:21am 2007
You will find that a lot of windows applications won't run in linux. That includes nearly every PC game. A few games that use OpenGL are supported (Eg. Doom 3). As for everything else, there is some alternative software that can be used (OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim etc).
If you are using a certain application, check to see if it supports linux.
As for installing Ubuntu, it is best to have 2 separate partitions for each OS. Although I haven't installed it myself, I would assume it would be best if installed this way.
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? quote:
Does this mean that most/all non DX10 applications run well on Ubuntu/linux?
EDIT:
I had a brief look at the Ubuntu website, and I'm tempted to give it a try right away. If I install it on the same computer as Windows, I'll get to choose which one to boot at startup just like when I have installed Win twice, right?
EDIT:
I had a brief look at the Ubuntu website, and I'm tempted to give it a try right away. If I install it on the same computer as Windows, I'll get to choose which one to boot at startup just like when I have installed Win twice, right?
You will find that a lot of windows applications won't run in linux. That includes nearly every PC game. A few games that use OpenGL are supported (Eg. Doom 3). As for everything else, there is some alternative software that can be used (OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim etc).
If you are using a certain application, check to see if it supports linux.
As for installing Ubuntu, it is best to have 2 separate partitions for each OS. Although I haven't installed it myself, I would assume it would be best if installed this way.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by rs6 on Tue Aug 7th at 6:45am 2007
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Posted by rs6 on Tue Aug 7th at 6:45am 2007
YOu have to make a seperate partition to install ubunutu. It should then install a boot loader so you can choose between windows and linux.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by Crono on Tue Aug 7th at 9:50am 2007
Posted by Crono on Tue Aug 7th at 9:50am 2007
Yeah, grub.
If you're worried about removing it while leaving Windows intact (for whatever crazy reason you'd want to do that for) it's very simple as well.
You can also configure grub to have a silent boot, which means it will automatically boot whichever OS you want unless you press a button (like escape) during the load sequence (which would, in turn, bring up the boot menu and allow you to choose).
Most Windows applications are not compatible. I'm sorry if I gave that impression, what I was saying is that, most of the applications that aren't games that are Windows specific are really poor applications anyway (Firefox vs Internet Explorer, MS Office vs Sun Open Office, Outlook vs Thunderbird, etc). However, many more 'tame' applications, like adobe products, either run natively on Linux or can actually run through Wine emulation (though I can't help you set that up as I've never personally gotten it to work). Most everything has an, at least, decent alternative.
As for configuration, I installed Ubuntu on a laptop (which I have since given to a family member) as well as a 'fresh' non-Home version of Windows ... everything in Ubuntu with little or NO configuration while the stuff in Windows didn't even work after official drivers were installed. (Though the laptop it self was a little more than buggy). I was able to browse Windows networks, print on Windows printers, as well as configure my graphics card and wireless card nearly automatically. The system, at one point, did have an odd error, but it was because of the Wireless card (and the overall bizarreness of the laptop), but overall there were very little problems on the Linux end, it's the one I used nearly exclusively on that machine. I had no reason to use the Windows portion.
Oh, the only other thing you may have issues with are some video codecs, some more "mainstream" ones don't have official versions for Linux (like quicktime). It shouldn't hinder things too much and I'm sure there is some solution out there.
If you're worried about removing it while leaving Windows intact (for whatever crazy reason you'd want to do that for) it's very simple as well.
You can also configure grub to have a silent boot, which means it will automatically boot whichever OS you want unless you press a button (like escape) during the load sequence (which would, in turn, bring up the boot menu and allow you to choose).
Most Windows applications are not compatible. I'm sorry if I gave that impression, what I was saying is that, most of the applications that aren't games that are Windows specific are really poor applications anyway (Firefox vs Internet Explorer, MS Office vs Sun Open Office, Outlook vs Thunderbird, etc). However, many more 'tame' applications, like adobe products, either run natively on Linux or can actually run through Wine emulation (though I can't help you set that up as I've never personally gotten it to work). Most everything has an, at least, decent alternative.
As for configuration, I installed Ubuntu on a laptop (which I have since given to a family member) as well as a 'fresh' non-Home version of Windows ... everything in Ubuntu with little or NO configuration while the stuff in Windows didn't even work after official drivers were installed. (Though the laptop it self was a little more than buggy). I was able to browse Windows networks, print on Windows printers, as well as configure my graphics card and wireless card nearly automatically. The system, at one point, did have an odd error, but it was because of the Wireless card (and the overall bizarreness of the laptop), but overall there were very little problems on the Linux end, it's the one I used nearly exclusively on that machine. I had no reason to use the Windows portion.
Oh, the only other thing you may have issues with are some video codecs, some more "mainstream" ones don't have official versions for Linux (like quicktime). It shouldn't hinder things too much and I'm sure there is some solution out there.
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Re: Game Anticipation: 2007
Posted by OtZman on Tue Aug 7th at 6:04pm 2007
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Posted by OtZman on Tue Aug 7th at 6:04pm 2007
I think I could take an old 15gb IDE hdd from one of our older computers and put into mine and install Ubuntu on it. I guess I'll have to do some searching for alternative applications if the ones I've been using for Windows aren't working. Glad to hear that the adobe products work decently though. As for emulation, I was suggested to give VMWare a try. What's the difference between VMWare and Wine?
After installing Ubuntu, what about drivers for the graphics card, sound, motherboard etc? I just saw that nVidia has Linux drivers on their website, so I take it I'll just go there and follow the instructions.
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