Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Sat Aug 18th at 11:45pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Sat Aug 18th at 11:45pm 2007
I would never recommend anyone buy a copy of anything made by Microsoft ... I'm not sure where this "Well you need to suggest XP or Vista" logic is coming from?
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 1:09am 2007
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 1:09am 2007
I'll be installing Xp again. Whether i pay for it or not.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer![<img src=]()
" SRC="images/smiles/wtf.gif"> ... I wouldn't dare giver her Linux.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by white on Sun Aug 19th at 2:52am 2007
Posted by white on Sun Aug 19th at 2:52am 2007
xp pro is good. home edition is crap. the zhlt compiling stuff did not work for me when i had home. i got a illegal copy of media centre from a freind and that solved all my problems " SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> .
aaron is right, the snarkpit is to quiet. either you guys be more active or i will have to start makeing "dumb topics" again. you dont want that do you.
(longest post ever, by me =O)
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Aug 19th at 4:36am 2007
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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Aug 19th at 4:36am 2007
Seriously, if you think the pit's boards are too quiet then go to somewhere theres a new post every 2 seconds. Im speaking of coarse:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 4:58am 2007
Taking that the distribution I'm talking about works (functionally to the user) exactly like Windows ... I don't see the issue.
I'll let it go and everything, but until someone around here besides ForceFlow and some other person whom I forgot uses a distro like Ubuntu I won't stop mentioning it as a viable alternative for users who don't want to use Windows but want an interface that's just as easy to use.
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 4:58am 2007
? quote:
I'll be installing Xp again. Whether i pay for it or not.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer
... I wouldn't dare giver her Linux.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer
... I wouldn't dare giver her Linux.Taking that the distribution I'm talking about works (functionally to the user) exactly like Windows ... I don't see the issue.
I'll let it go and everything, but until someone around here besides ForceFlow and some other person whom I forgot uses a distro like Ubuntu I won't stop mentioning it as a viable alternative for users who don't want to use Windows but want an interface that's just as easy to use.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sun Aug 19th at 7:29am 2007
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Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sun Aug 19th at 7:29am 2007
I've used Ubuntu for a bit, I'm personally more of a fan of SuSE myself, but Ubuntu is great for someone completely new to linux.
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by wil5on on Sun Aug 19th at 7:52am 2007
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Posted by wil5on on Sun Aug 19th at 7:52am 2007
I plan on installing Ubuntu one of these weekends, as part of a hard drive upgrade. I need XP for certain programs (more than just games), but doing computer science assignments under windows is something I just dont bother doing anymore (particularly since starting systems programming courses which *require* some sort of unix).
But if you still use windows and reject Linux for word processing and email checking, you forfeit any rights you may have had to bash MS and windows.
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 7:56am 2007
? quote:I'll be installing Xp again. Whether i pay for it or not.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer ... I wouldn't dare giver her Linux.
Taking that the distribution I'm talking about works (functionally to the user) exactly like Windows ... I don't see the issue.
I'll let it go and everything, but until someone around here besides ForceFlow and some other person whom I forgot uses a distro like Ubuntu I won't stop mentioning it as a viable alternative for users who don't want to use Windows but want an interface that's just as easy to use.
Would u tell me that between a printer, digital camera running Kodak software and like a thousand other little plug ins, that everything will work flawlessly? With no complications at all. because with her there is no figuring it out, no working around it. If it doesn't work then she'll never get it to work. She is in able to solve the simplest of problems when it comes to computers. Would she be able to use Linux?
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 7:56am 2007
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? quote:I'll be installing Xp again. Whether i pay for it or not.
... about 2 weeks ago she got a cd from a friend that had some pics on it or something like that. She had to ask me how to get them form the cd onto her computer
... I wouldn't dare giver her Linux.
Taking that the distribution I'm talking about works (functionally to the user) exactly like Windows ... I don't see the issue.
I'll let it go and everything, but until someone around here besides ForceFlow and some other person whom I forgot uses a distro like Ubuntu I won't stop mentioning it as a viable alternative for users who don't want to use Windows but want an interface that's just as easy to use.
Would u tell me that between a printer, digital camera running Kodak software and like a thousand other little plug ins, that everything will work flawlessly? With no complications at all. because with her there is no figuring it out, no working around it. If it doesn't work then she'll never get it to work. She is in able to solve the simplest of problems when it comes to computers. Would she be able to use Linux?
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 10:20am 2007
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 10:20am 2007
When I had Ubuntu running on my laptop I only had to install a driver for Broadcom wireless and 911 driver for Intel video cards and everything else worked without my meddling. Samba is built in and automatically configured to view Windows networks (if needed) and so is printing to Windows based Printers.
The other thing is, installing things under Ubuntu (at least) is much more simple than Windows because you don't even need to go out and find the thing, there's a package manager built in with every available Debian package (through a database and Ubuntu is built on top of Debian)
You can plug in various devices and they will pop up a shortcut on the desktop to use the device (I tried it with some random MP3 player with no troubles)
To note, on my laptop ... I could get none of these things working under Windows even WITH the drivers.
I'm not saying there wouldn't be any sort of setup or anything like that, but if she isn't the one doing that part I don't see the issue.
In any case, you can grab a copy of Ubuntu and burn the install disc, it's a live cd as well.
(To Note, I like Gnome a bit more than KDE. And I seriously don't like setting up things like samba or wireless or anything like that, it's to the point that it shouldn't be required anymore)
You can also make it so she doesn't actually notice it isn't Windows she's using
Here's one for KDE (As opposed to Gnome, Ubuntu's default interface)
You can also make it look like Vista,More Vista, OSX, More OSX, or the unthinkable: both.
Of course, I'm not suggesting you only check out themes that look like other OS interfaces (because most of Gnome's themes are actually much better), but if you're trying to get someone to "migrate" you might as well fool them into doing it.
The other thing is, installing things under Ubuntu (at least) is much more simple than Windows because you don't even need to go out and find the thing, there's a package manager built in with every available Debian package (through a database and Ubuntu is built on top of Debian)
You can plug in various devices and they will pop up a shortcut on the desktop to use the device (I tried it with some random MP3 player with no troubles)
To note, on my laptop ... I could get none of these things working under Windows even WITH the drivers.
I'm not saying there wouldn't be any sort of setup or anything like that, but if she isn't the one doing that part I don't see the issue.
In any case, you can grab a copy of Ubuntu and burn the install disc, it's a live cd as well.
(To Note, I like Gnome a bit more than KDE. And I seriously don't like setting up things like samba or wireless or anything like that, it's to the point that it shouldn't be required anymore)
You can also make it so she doesn't actually notice it isn't Windows she's using
Here's one for KDE (As opposed to Gnome, Ubuntu's default interface)
You can also make it look like Vista,More Vista, OSX, More OSX, or the unthinkable: both.
Of course, I'm not suggesting you only check out themes that look like other OS interfaces (because most of Gnome's themes are actually much better), but if you're trying to get someone to "migrate" you might as well fool them into doing it.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 7:25pm 2007
Posted by RedWood on Sun Aug 19th at 7:25pm 2007
Well if i'm ever guna try it, now would be the time. The first os i install on the new computer will be Ubuntu. I'll see how it works out.
NewEgg is grate but their not always the cheapest anymore. Anybody know of any good, reliable online stores? so i compare prices.
EDIT: I forgot, she has a i pod. Will i tunes work on Ubuntu?
NewEgg is grate but their not always the cheapest anymore. Anybody know of any good, reliable online stores? so i compare prices.
EDIT: I forgot, she has a i pod. Will i tunes work on Ubuntu?
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 11:44pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Sun Aug 19th at 11:44pm 2007
I don't think so. Mac software doesn't have a Linux flavor sadly. (Which is really odd, to be honest) but, you should go look at the Ubuntu forums. I could never personally get Quicktime to work, so I doubt iTunes would work. BUT, I know you can use an iPod with the OS. The problem is if someone uses all this proprietary software that has no alternative (even if there are easier ways to use the product).
[edit] After looking around, you can either use Win32 iTunes under Wine (I don't recommend this as Wine is not easy to get working). Or you can use Rythembox (A superior, yet similar, library editor and player/ripper) which has experimental iPod functionality. But, as far as I know you should be able to hook the thing up and have it act as an external drive. I don't have an iPod, specifically, to check with so, let us know if it works!
You can also make the machine dual boot for those specific applications that are just too difficult to get working properly (games, proprietary software, etc)
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Also, if you plan on EVER installing Windows on the same machine you MUST install it BEFORE Ubuntu. Windows will not knowingly allow the Linux partition to exist on the machine. If you set it up for dual boot, you can make it so the boot loader (in this case Grub) automatically loads one OS or the other with an escape character to allow the user to choose while booting if they wish (this is just to "hide" grub)
[edit] After looking around, you can either use Win32 iTunes under Wine (I don't recommend this as Wine is not easy to get working). Or you can use Rythembox (A superior, yet similar, library editor and player/ripper) which has experimental iPod functionality. But, as far as I know you should be able to hook the thing up and have it act as an external drive. I don't have an iPod, specifically, to check with so, let us know if it works!
You can also make the machine dual boot for those specific applications that are just too difficult to get working properly (games, proprietary software, etc)
[/edit]
Also, if you plan on EVER installing Windows on the same machine you MUST install it BEFORE Ubuntu. Windows will not knowingly allow the Linux partition to exist on the machine. If you set it up for dual boot, you can make it so the boot loader (in this case Grub) automatically loads one OS or the other with an escape character to allow the user to choose while booting if they wish (this is just to "hide" grub)
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by mazemaster on Sun Aug 19th at 11:49pm 2007
Posted by mazemaster on Sun Aug 19th at 11:49pm 2007
I personally had some serious wireless card driver issues with Ubuntu on one of my boxes. That sounds like a small issue, except it meant no internet or network connection for that computer. After trying to fix the problem for several days, the answer I got from Ubuntu gurus was basically "your card won't work, write your own drivers or buy another card" - not an acceptable solution.
Similarly, a guy who lived next door to me in college tried to put Ubuntu on his laptop, but ran into all kinds of unsolvable driver problems almost immediately.
Although it is pretty good, I would not yet classify Ubuntu as something that "just works".
Similarly, a guy who lived next door to me in college tried to put Ubuntu on his laptop, but ran into all kinds of unsolvable driver problems almost immediately.
Although it is pretty good, I would not yet classify Ubuntu as something that "just works".
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 20th at 12:58am 2007
There are a couple different types of wireless chipsets roaming about right now. The ones that have no Linux support from the chipset manufacturer ... well ... are s**t out of luck. This is why you need to check if the chipset is supported. I know for a fact that Broadcom stuff works.
Outside of wireless you should be able to use a wired card, at the least, with no issues.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to find out a lot of this information before hand just to be sure.
Posted by Crono on Mon Aug 20th at 12:58am 2007
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I personally had some serious wireless card driver issues with Ubuntu on one of my boxes. That sounds like a small issue, except it meant no internet or network connection for that computer. After trying to fix the problem for several days, the answer I got from Ubuntu gurus was basically "your card won't work, write your own drivers or buy another card" - not an acceptable solution.
Similarly, a guy who lived next door to me in college tried to put Ubuntu on his laptop, but ran into all kinds of unsolvable driver problems almost immediately.
Although it is pretty good, I would not yet classify Ubuntu as something that "just works".
Similarly, a guy who lived next door to me in college tried to put Ubuntu on his laptop, but ran into all kinds of unsolvable driver problems almost immediately.
Although it is pretty good, I would not yet classify Ubuntu as something that "just works".
There are a couple different types of wireless chipsets roaming about right now. The ones that have no Linux support from the chipset manufacturer ... well ... are s**t out of luck. This is why you need to check if the chipset is supported. I know for a fact that Broadcom stuff works.
Outside of wireless you should be able to use a wired card, at the least, with no issues.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to find out a lot of this information before hand just to be sure.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Mon Aug 20th at 3:21am 2007
Posted by RedWood on Mon Aug 20th at 3:21am 2007
Theirs no reason to give her dual boot. I'm just forced to stick with windows. (F@#kin monopoly).
I'm reading through the Ubuntu faq now. I'm going to install it in the old machine, just to test it out, before i strip it to see if I'm going to reuse the case.![<img src=]()
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I'm reading through the Ubuntu faq now. I'm going to install it in the old machine, just to test it out, before i strip it to see if I'm going to reuse the case.
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Mon Aug 20th at 7:50pm 2007
Posted by RedWood on Mon Aug 20th at 7:50pm 2007
I just bought a new mobo. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138082
Have i made some huge error yet![<img src=]()
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Have i made some huge error yet
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Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Aug 21st at 11:16am 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Aug 21st at 11:16am 2007
Oh-noes! The BIOSTAR! You're screwed
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Thu Aug 30th at 9:38am 2007
Posted by RedWood on Thu Aug 30th at 9:38am 2007
Turns out i did make a mistake. The board has no port for the monitor. So i had to spend 25 on a crappy gfx card. ( ati x600se) 
live and learn i guess.
I'm havening huge problums. More than i was expecting. First time i go to start up the new comp, absolutely nothing came up on screen. It wouldn't even come out of standby. The board has 2 LED diagnostic lights and neither of them are on witch according to the manual means "abnormal: CPU / Chipset error". But what i think the problem is the hard drive. when i turn the comp on i hear it making some sound like it's spinning up and i hear some other clicking but it's so dead quite if i put the case cover back on i wouldn't be able to hear it, and on my computer the loudest part out of the whole comp is the hard drive. Though mine is an ata and this is a sata. when i turn the comp on the power light on the front of the case will not light up but the hard drive light is on solid full time. and no, they are not reversed.
also the cd drive will not open or close (don't ask if the power is connected).
Anyone have any ideas on what the hell is wrong with my build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211064
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106054
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103149
and a WD SATA 300 160GB from Microcenter.
live and learn i guess.
I'm havening huge problums. More than i was expecting. First time i go to start up the new comp, absolutely nothing came up on screen. It wouldn't even come out of standby. The board has 2 LED diagnostic lights and neither of them are on witch according to the manual means "abnormal: CPU / Chipset error". But what i think the problem is the hard drive. when i turn the comp on i hear it making some sound like it's spinning up and i hear some other clicking but it's so dead quite if i put the case cover back on i wouldn't be able to hear it, and on my computer the loudest part out of the whole comp is the hard drive. Though mine is an ata and this is a sata. when i turn the comp on the power light on the front of the case will not light up but the hard drive light is on solid full time. and no, they are not reversed.
also the cd drive will not open or close (don't ask if the power is connected).
Anyone have any ideas on what the hell is wrong with my build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103776
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211064
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106054
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103149
and a WD SATA 300 160GB from Microcenter.
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Crono on Thu Aug 30th at 10:15am 2007
Posted by Crono on Thu Aug 30th at 10:15am 2007
There's tons of reasons why it could be.
My first question would be ... are you hooking up the extra power connector to the mother board for the CPU? Those are easy to overlook and ... well ... your diagnostic (if there's nothing wrong with it) is pointing to that area.
I doubt it has anything what so ever to do with the harddrive. If there was something (only) wrong with the HDD, the machine would boot and tell you so.
The only other thing I can think of is that your board has an nVidia system chipset and you bought an ATI graphics card. They'll likely not play nice together.
I can't look at the actual computer to see if there's anything mis-connected (or damage), so good luck finding out the issue.
If everything fails, try looking at all the connections again. It could be many things causing the problem.
My first question would be ... are you hooking up the extra power connector to the mother board for the CPU? Those are easy to overlook and ... well ... your diagnostic (if there's nothing wrong with it) is pointing to that area.
I doubt it has anything what so ever to do with the harddrive. If there was something (only) wrong with the HDD, the machine would boot and tell you so.
The only other thing I can think of is that your board has an nVidia system chipset and you bought an ATI graphics card. They'll likely not play nice together.
I can't look at the actual computer to see if there's anything mis-connected (or damage), so good luck finding out the issue.
If everything fails, try looking at all the connections again. It could be many things causing the problem.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by RedWood on Thu Aug 30th at 6:47pm 2007
Posted by RedWood on Thu Aug 30th at 6:47pm 2007
Well... Thank you. Not what i was hoping to hear but u have saved me the headache of returning my hdd. I'm going to try and replace the gfx card.
Thanks for all the help guys/Crono. I'd be lost with out you. (well, more than i am now.)
Thanks for all the help guys/Crono. I'd be lost with out you. (well, more than i am now.)
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Windows reinstal
Posted by Riven on Fri Aug 31st at 2:45am 2007
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Posted by Riven on Fri Aug 31st at 2:45am 2007
For the SATA HDD, are you hooking up both the SATA power connector AND the molex (4 pin) PSU connector? If so, that may be a reason why nothing will power up, because you are only supposed to have one or the other hooked up to the HDD, never both. It doesn't matter which one, as long as one connection is left open.
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