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Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Aug 28th at 8:54am 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Aug 28th at 8:54am 2007
Reaper, reading your post it almost seems you're ok with the fact people make illigal copies of games just because the publisher / studio is a big earning corporation.
I think it's perfectly fine for them to restrict certain rights that would make them earn their money in a way they want ,afterall, it's their product, and they can do with it what they want.
I'm ok with people not buying it for these reasons, but that reason doesn't make the game s**t ,just the people selling it.
I think BioShock is an excellent game, really enjoying every part of it so far.
It's a shame people are havign problems with authentication etc. especially i've read, problems with the steam version (oh, suprise...) but that's why i opted for just buying it in the store and not runnign it through steam, since it hasn't got multiplayer anyways, i don't see the point of it beign on steam anyway.
I really reccommend it to you guys, to just go out and buy it if you can spare the cash for it, it's worth it.
You most likely won't run into any problems (like me) and have a great time playing the game![<img src=]()
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on a side note:
Anyone know when the Unreal 3 Engine tools will be availible for download?
I think it's perfectly fine for them to restrict certain rights that would make them earn their money in a way they want ,afterall, it's their product, and they can do with it what they want.
I'm ok with people not buying it for these reasons, but that reason doesn't make the game s**t ,just the people selling it.
I think BioShock is an excellent game, really enjoying every part of it so far.
It's a shame people are havign problems with authentication etc. especially i've read, problems with the steam version (oh, suprise...) but that's why i opted for just buying it in the store and not runnign it through steam, since it hasn't got multiplayer anyways, i don't see the point of it beign on steam anyway.
I really reccommend it to you guys, to just go out and buy it if you can spare the cash for it, it's worth it.
You most likely won't run into any problems (like me) and have a great time playing the game
on a side note:
Anyone know when the Unreal 3 Engine tools will be availible for download?
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Juim on Tue Aug 28th at 11:06am 2007
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Posted by Juim on Tue Aug 28th at 11:06am 2007
I bought it through STEAM. Aside from the 8 hour download, I have'nt had a problem. (Truth be told, I've never encountered any serious problems with STEAM since its inception, and so really I have no complaints). I am playing on my PC which is not DirectX10 ready, so thats the only option I can't select in the menu. In the DX9 version though, my rig gets very warm after a half an hour or so and all the fans get to churning very fast. The game plays flawlessly though with all the other parameters set to on or full. No lag, or stuttering.
As for the game itself, I must say it is a constant visual treat. The art direction and composition of the levels is truly a sight to behold. The water effects are superb, the voice acting,(so far) is creative and not too repetetive, and the enemies are very well crafted. I've read reviews where they say this is the FPS to beat all others second to or at least equal to the Half Life series, but in my honest opinion, I don't see that as the case. While I do become immersed in the game, It does'nt leave me on the edge of my seat like say, F.E.A.R did. The powers and commerce system are cool, and I am really having a fun time running around trying to find practical applications to use them for aside from doing battle. (Like melting ice, shorting out security guns/cameras/grabbing things from behind bars etc.)
Bottom line, I feel like its fifty bucks very well spent. This game is top notch, and truly entertaining. I would like to see a multiplayer add-on down the line, but you just can't seem to have everything can you.
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Aug 28th at 11:38am 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Aug 28th at 11:38am 2007
No rpoblems ever with steeam? you lucky git hehe, i've had tons of troubles, but the non steam version seems to work really well.
I might make my pc dx10 ready sometime to enjoy the game even more! (means a new gfx card and vista though![<img src=]()
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My pc has no trouble on full settings either ,but yes, as liek with yours, it heats up lik an oven, and can be a bit stuttery when i exit the game for a minute or two.
Loading times in the game for me are less, and fewer than HL2 which i thought was great, i like all the plasmid adverts etc. too, you can really see that they've put a big amount of humor into the mix to make it even more interesting, i'm tryign to collect all the diaries too, every one has quite an interesting little conversation attached to it which really adds to the atmosphere of the game.
I might make my pc dx10 ready sometime to enjoy the game even more! (means a new gfx card and vista though
My pc has no trouble on full settings either ,but yes, as liek with yours, it heats up lik an oven, and can be a bit stuttery when i exit the game for a minute or two.
Loading times in the game for me are less, and fewer than HL2 which i thought was great, i like all the plasmid adverts etc. too, you can really see that they've put a big amount of humor into the mix to make it even more interesting, i'm tryign to collect all the diaries too, every one has quite an interesting little conversation attached to it which really adds to the atmosphere of the game.
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Re: BioShock
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Aug 28th at 7:23pm 2007
Let me just clarify that: I think the game-designers working on Bioshock are some of the most talented in the business. And I have not the slightest doubt that the game will be excellent.
It's just a pity that Irrational, before one of the shiniest example for what makes PC gaming great, completely sold out to 2k games, treating the PC crowd as second-rate customers. I don't feel sympathetic towards game companies moving on to consoles just because it's 67.5325% more profitable. Especially since Deus Ex 2, which, IMO showed precisely all the things that can go wrong. I can't hold them back. But if they loose money over this, I couldn't say that I felt bad about it.
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Aug 28th at 7:23pm 2007
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I'm ok with people not buying it for these reasons, but that reason doesn't make the game s**t ,just the people selling it.
Let me just clarify that: I think the game-designers working on Bioshock are some of the most talented in the business. And I have not the slightest doubt that the game will be excellent.
It's just a pity that Irrational, before one of the shiniest example for what makes PC gaming great, completely sold out to 2k games, treating the PC crowd as second-rate customers. I don't feel sympathetic towards game companies moving on to consoles just because it's 67.5325% more profitable. Especially since Deus Ex 2, which, IMO showed precisely all the things that can go wrong. I can't hold them back. But if they loose money over this, I couldn't say that I felt bad about it.
Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 10:38am 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 10:38am 2007
Sure it's not right for pc customers to be second rate, but i also can't say that bioshock has any problems what so ever that are there as a result of 2k games being more focused on console gamers.
It sure would be s**t if pc gaming was left out on just to boost console gaming etc. because i personally don't like consoles, but i guess we'll just have to sit back and wait. see what happens i nthe near future.
Anyways, i think i misintepreted your inital posts then because i thought you were commenting on the game developers, guess i was wrong![<img src=]()
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It sure would be s**t if pc gaming was left out on just to boost console gaming etc. because i personally don't like consoles, but i guess we'll just have to sit back and wait. see what happens i nthe near future.
Anyways, i think i misintepreted your inital posts then because i thought you were commenting on the game developers, guess i was wrong
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Re: BioShock
Posted by ReNo on Wed Aug 29th at 12:55pm 2007
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Posted by ReNo on Wed Aug 29th at 12:55pm 2007
Bioshock is number 1 in the UK charts this week, and apparently 88% of sales were of the Xbox 360 version. I think that is why PC gamers are often treated as second rate. Then again, with the game available on Steam I wonder how much of an effect that had on the PC version's retail sales.
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 2:30pm 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 2:30pm 2007
I think most pc gamers, would use steam since it often has nice discounts and offers. and you don't need to leave the house.
But still, since they're developing the games on a pc (mac maybe in some cases) why would they treat pc gamers as second rate![<img src=]()
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You can't build mod communities on an xbox now can you
I really hope pc gaming get's a good boost from some unexpected angle sometiem realy soon, i don't want to eb forced to buy some crappy tv and a console, and game with a stupid controller for the rest of my life.
(unless they re-invent the NES)
But still, since they're developing the games on a pc (mac maybe in some cases) why would they treat pc gamers as second rate
You can't build mod communities on an xbox now can you
I really hope pc gaming get's a good boost from some unexpected angle sometiem realy soon, i don't want to eb forced to buy some crappy tv and a console, and game with a stupid controller for the rest of my life.
(unless they re-invent the NES)
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Re: BioShock
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Aug 29th at 8:27pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Aug 29th at 8:27pm 2007
Bioshock is so epic and strongly themed, it's not Mod material IMO. Is the SDK out, actually? I haven't heard about it.
I doubt PC gaming will die anytime soon, simply because everyone needs and has a PC, while consoles are more an entertainment/luxury thing.
Graphics card prices are getting ridiculous these days and I think that's one reason people don't bother upgrading their PCs to gaming speed anymore. It's the reason I don't bother upgrading my PC for Bioshock. For the price of a good card, you can buy a 360 and a game and don't even have to deal with install/driver issues. That's a pretty good reason for getting a console.
I'll wait for the Crysis demo. It looks like it's as hardware-heavy as it gets for this generation of games. If a card turns out to be both fast enough to handle Crysis and cheap enough to not make me feel robbed, I'll upgrade and get my copy of Bioshock, too. Gosh, I hope this won't be an internet-locked, cencored version for all German-speaking countries... Yet another thing to fear.
I doubt PC gaming will die anytime soon, simply because everyone needs and has a PC, while consoles are more an entertainment/luxury thing.
Graphics card prices are getting ridiculous these days and I think that's one reason people don't bother upgrading their PCs to gaming speed anymore. It's the reason I don't bother upgrading my PC for Bioshock. For the price of a good card, you can buy a 360 and a game and don't even have to deal with install/driver issues. That's a pretty good reason for getting a console.
I'll wait for the Crysis demo. It looks like it's as hardware-heavy as it gets for this generation of games. If a card turns out to be both fast enough to handle Crysis and cheap enough to not make me feel robbed, I'll upgrade and get my copy of Bioshock, too. Gosh, I hope this won't be an internet-locked, cencored version for all German-speaking countries... Yet another thing to fear.
Re: BioShock
Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 29th at 9:47pm 2007
Not commenting on the, "leave [your] house" part, but, discounts? nice? As in "steam offers cheaper games than in retail" discount?
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
Well, all games are developed, now, on a real computer of sorts. There's programs out there (like FX Composer 2 WHICH IS FINALLY OUT) that will allow you to compile graphics shaders to various platforms (including PS3).
Not to defend X-Box, because I would never commit such a travisty to humanity and damn my soul to hell for eternity, but, there are mod communities based around it ... and other consoles too. Most of them are geared towards hardware mods ... but there are software mods as well. Just not to the degree of Half-Life 1 or something, since the games have never had an open development kit.
Boost? For what? It's doing better than it ever has ... EVER. People are starting to view the PC as a viable gaming platform along side consoles. If you think that's a bad thing, then you don't understand game sales.
The only problem I see is that, as of right now, console markets are bigger than the PC game market, so developers are porting their games to the money makers. Until that changes, the PC will continue to lose exclusivity with many titles.
The thing I think is bizarre is that many gamers who're Sony and Microsoft whores who blatantly emphasize graphics as one of the biggest factors in their gaming experiences don't actually buy the best version, graphically. When there's a game that runs on 360, PS3, and PC ... they choose the 360 version (Or maybe the PS3 if they own one of those).
Maybe they don't know it's a piece of cake to use any of the current console's controllers on a PC and many games that support the console platforms also will have their own built in support. (BioShock, for example, is ready to use with the 360 controller on PC)
Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 29th at 9:47pm 2007
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I think most pc gamers, would use steam since it often has nice discounts and offers. and you don't need to leave the house.
Not commenting on the, "leave [your] house" part, but, discounts? nice? As in "steam offers cheaper games than in retail" discount?
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
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But still, since they're developing the games on a pc (mac maybe in some cases) why would they treat pc gamers as second rate 
You can't build mod communities on an xbox now can you
You can't build mod communities on an xbox now can you
Well, all games are developed, now, on a real computer of sorts. There's programs out there (like FX Composer 2 WHICH IS FINALLY OUT) that will allow you to compile graphics shaders to various platforms (including PS3).
Not to defend X-Box, because I would never commit such a travisty to humanity and damn my soul to hell for eternity, but, there are mod communities based around it ... and other consoles too. Most of them are geared towards hardware mods ... but there are software mods as well. Just not to the degree of Half-Life 1 or something, since the games have never had an open development kit.
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I really hope pc gaming get's a good boost from some unexpected angle sometiem realy soon, i don't want to eb forced to buy some crappy tv and a console, and game with a stupid controller for the rest of my life.
(unless they re-invent the NES)
(unless they re-invent the NES)
Boost? For what? It's doing better than it ever has ... EVER. People are starting to view the PC as a viable gaming platform along side consoles. If you think that's a bad thing, then you don't understand game sales.
The only problem I see is that, as of right now, console markets are bigger than the PC game market, so developers are porting their games to the money makers. Until that changes, the PC will continue to lose exclusivity with many titles.
The thing I think is bizarre is that many gamers who're Sony and Microsoft whores who blatantly emphasize graphics as one of the biggest factors in their gaming experiences don't actually buy the best version, graphically. When there's a game that runs on 360, PS3, and PC ... they choose the 360 version (Or maybe the PS3 if they own one of those).
Maybe they don't know it's a piece of cake to use any of the current console's controllers on a PC and many games that support the console platforms also will have their own built in support. (BioShock, for example, is ready to use with the 360 controller on PC)
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: BioShock
Posted by Naklajat on Thu Aug 30th at 3:45am 2007
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Posted by Naklajat on Thu Aug 30th at 3:45am 2007
I'm still running a 2.2GHz single-core AMD64 with a NV 6800 Ultra, the last two upgrades I did were +1GB RAM (to 2GB total) and +500GB SATA hard drive (after my 80GB PATA drive crashed). This compy is barely enough to run UE3 games like Bioshock, but it's a sufficient dev box and I'll likely make my next investment on a 65nm PS3 (once available) rather than a new CPU, board and video card. There's something very alluring about a single box that plugs into your TV and plays games smoother with better graphics than your PC for less money, AND has a bluray player.
I've played the demo (nothing short of a miracle after Securom repeatedly crashed my brand new, just-connected-to-the-internet-an-hour-ago-through-both-a-software-and-hardware-firewall XP installation), which was too short and should have included more than two plasmids IMHO. The atmosphere is very nice though, and I think this is a game I could lose a lot of time being immersed in. I'll probably pick it up for PS3 once they roll that out (and they will).
DRM is a burden on the human race.
I've played the demo (nothing short of a miracle after Securom repeatedly crashed my brand new, just-connected-to-the-internet-an-hour-ago-through-both-a-software-and-hardware-firewall XP installation), which was too short and should have included more than two plasmids IMHO. The atmosphere is very nice though, and I think this is a game I could lose a lot of time being immersed in. I'll probably pick it up for PS3 once they roll that out (and they will).
DRM is a burden on the human race.
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Rumple on Thu Aug 30th at 4:16am 2007
Steam works out a lot cheaper for most games here in Aus, I'll use Bioshock as an example Steam price USD49.95 converted to AUD61, retail price for Bioshock AUD90+
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Posted by Rumple on Thu Aug 30th at 4:16am 2007
? quoting Crono
Not commenting on the, "leave [your] house" part, but, discounts? nice? As in "steam offers cheaper games than in retail" discount?
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
Steam works out a lot cheaper for most games here in Aus, I'll use Bioshock as an example Steam price USD49.95 converted to AUD61, retail price for Bioshock AUD90+
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Thu Aug 30th at 7:20am 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Thu Aug 30th at 7:20am 2007
steam workso ut alot cheaper for us here in holland, atleast compared to the stores around here.
i bought my bioshock for 59 euros, it would be about 49 euros on steam. and that's not even a discounted price.
Graphics cards are well expensivve sure, but my x1600GT runs eveything fine ,and that was only like 200 euros when i bought it, like a year ago.
So you don't need one of those 500 euro cards for games, that's luxury justl ike consoles![<img src=]()
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i bought my bioshock for 59 euros, it would be about 49 euros on steam. and that's not even a discounted price.
Graphics cards are well expensivve sure, but my x1600GT runs eveything fine ,and that was only like 200 euros when i bought it, like a year ago.
So you don't need one of those 500 euro cards for games, that's luxury justl ike consoles
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Re: BioShock
Posted by Crono on Thu Aug 30th at 10:00am 2007
Steam works out a lot cheaper for most games here in Aus, I'll use Bioshock as an example Steam price USD49.95 converted to AUD61, retail price for Bioshock AUD90+
I've figured things are more expensive in other countries. Especially over in Australia and Europe, things available all over the world seem to cost twice as much.
Posted by Crono on Thu Aug 30th at 10:00am 2007
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? quoting Crono
Not commenting on the, "leave [your] house" part, but, discounts? nice? As in "steam offers cheaper games than in retail" discount?
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
Not in the US. Retail games are regularly cheaper, or the same price, but Steam is usually more expensive.
Steam works out a lot cheaper for most games here in Aus, I'll use Bioshock as an example Steam price USD49.95 converted to AUD61, retail price for Bioshock AUD90+
I've figured things are more expensive in other countries. Especially over in Australia and Europe, things available all over the world seem to cost twice as much.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: BioShock
Posted by Junkyard God on Thu Aug 30th at 2:15pm 2007
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Posted by Junkyard God on Thu Aug 30th at 2:15pm 2007
Yeah, but weed is cheaper here! so i'm good! ![<img src=]()
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Re: BioShock
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Sep 6th at 7:19pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Sep 6th at 7:19pm 2007
Alright, I know I've been ranting enough but if some of you are still not convinced that 2k's distribution policy is questionable, ponder this question/statement:
2k Tech JT writes: The other way to view this, is one USER has purchased thegame. Not the whole family. So why should your brother play for free?
Are they kidding? I think not. Even if he's an "outside contractor", lol. That's how they think.
2k Tech JT writes: The other way to view this, is one USER has purchased thegame. Not the whole family. So why should your brother play for free?
Are they kidding? I think not. Even if he's an "outside contractor", lol. That's how they think.
Re: BioShock
Posted by Crono on Thu Sep 6th at 8:42pm 2007
Posted by Crono on Thu Sep 6th at 8:42pm 2007
That's the Microsoft way of doing things.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: BioShock
Posted by FatStrings on Fri Sep 7th at 7:41pm 2007
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Posted by FatStrings on Fri Sep 7th at 7:41pm 2007
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Re: BioShock
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Sep 7th at 10:56pm 2007
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Sep 7th at 10:56pm 2007
Somehow this managed to make me like Bioshock more than ever before. Maybe because the reviewer seems to think exactly like me and still finds something good about it. Thanks for the link, Fatstrings.
Re: BioShock
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Posted by FatStrings on Sat Sep 8th at 2:26pm 2007
no charge, i haven't played it yet but that guy had me busting up
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