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Posted by matt on Mon Jan 5th at 3:34pm 2004


I've just been reading this article on the net about "Americas army" a game some of you I belive have played. The article talks about the influence of videogaming on the younger generation of video gamers and states how the game is basically a front for recretment for George dubawas "War on terror"

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But America's Army's real purpose is to be a recruiting tool, which is why the game has been made freely available since July

The link to the article is here

I was just wondering what the rest of you people though of this.

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Posted by Vash on Mon Jan 5th at 3:55pm 2004


Thats crazy.

BRAVO 2 GO GO GO, THE CHICKEN HAS TAKEN THE BAIT.

Sorry, that happens time to time since Ive been playing Americas Army.

Red team go..

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Posted by G4MER on Tue Jan 6th at 1:51am 2004


Uhm well this game has been out since CLINTons Term..

Have you seen the TV ad that compairs Hitler to Bush?

Anything to get a Democrap back in the White house..

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Posted by Cassius on Tue Jan 6th at 1:55am 2004


The Democratic side of the 2004 election is absolutely ridiculous - Dean is a flat out joke. Come on, a five foot five fiftysomething politician rolling up his sleeves and yelling his ass off is supposed to conjure the image of a tough fighter? Please. Send that garbage back where it belongs (though it is quite hilarious that for all the liberal talk about Bush's propaganda and rhetoric that they've suddenly jumped on the bandwagon with someone even worse).



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Jan 6th at 2:40am 2004


Of course AA is a recruitment tool! Why would the US army put so much time and money into such a great game if they didn't expect to see a return? Plus, I bet it offers those who play a head start in training.

just to be clear about this, I have no problem with the idea of a game as propaganda. it's an awsome idea on their part.

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 2:58am 2004


.....just the simple fact that you can discern the fact that it is a recruiting/propaganda tool tells me yer smart enough not to fall into a political quagmire over it.....

nuff said....

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Posted by SuperCrazy on Tue Jan 6th at 3:28am 2004


? posted by Cassius
The Democratic side of the 2004 election is absolutely ridiculous - Dean is a flat out joke. Come on, a five foot five fiftysomething politician rolling up his sleeves and yelling his ass off is supposed to conjure the image of a tough fighter? Please. Send that garbage back where it belongs (though it is quite hilarious that for all the liberal talk about Bush's propaganda and rhetoric that they've suddenly jumped on the bandwagon with someone even worse).

Yes, because that's exactly the image Dean wants to portray. A badass tough fighter. Well, at least people are trying a different argument now that that whole 'unelectable' thing has been shown to be bulls**t time and time again.





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 3:34am 2004


dean is a shmuck....he'll step on his dick at least one more good time before the election, mark my words....

Doc Brass...

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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Jan 6th at 4:25am 2004


Eh, let Bush finish what he started. I haven't noticed if any of the democrats are running on a pro-war yet different domestic policy platform... that would be the only way I might vote for one. Pulling out of Iraq now would have far worse consequences than attacking it in the first place.

And way to be like 4 years late on the realization that America's Army is a recruitment tool.





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Posted by SuperCrazy on Tue Jan 6th at 4:31am 2004


Kucinich is the only Democrat advocating pulling out immediately. Dean was against the war but he realizes that we need to fix the mess now that Bush got us into it.



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Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Jan 6th at 4:58am 2004


? posted by Tracer Bullet

Of course AA is a recruitment tool! Why would the US army put so much time and money into such a great game if they didn't expect to see a return? Plus, I bet it offers those who play a head start in training.

just to be clear about this, I have no problem with the idea of a game as propaganda. it's an awsome idea on their part.

To me it's just a game, since the proper demographic it's geared towards is not my nationality. I played it in its early versions, haven't played in a few years now though.

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Posted by Cassius on Tue Jan 6th at 5:07am 2004


? posted by SuperCrazy
? posted by Cassius
The Democratic side of the 2004 election is absolutely ridiculous - Dean is a flat out joke. Come on, a five foot five fiftysomething politician rolling up his sleeves and yelling his ass off is supposed to conjure the image of a tough fighter? Please. Send that garbage back where it belongs (though it is quite hilarious that for all the liberal talk about Bush's propaganda and rhetoric that they've suddenly jumped on the bandwagon with someone even worse).

Yes, because that's exactly the image Dean wants to portray. A badass tough fighter. Well, at least people are trying a different argument now that that whole 'unelectable' thing has been shown to be bulls**t time and time again.

Though your ability to make spontaneous and baseless assumptions about my political affiliations is quite admirable, I still think it's around that time to call you an ignorant bastard.

There was an absolutely shocking photo on the cover of Newsweek (not sure if that's the one, I'll check tomorrow) with Dean, both fists in the air, mouth wide open, face red, yelling. He'd rolled up his sleeves before going on stage, where he immediately started screaming about the fight to take the country back - tell me that's not just the same 'emotional propaganda' that Bush uses, and I'll call you a fool.

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Posted by G4MER on Tue Jan 6th at 8:25am 2004


As if we cared if you feel we're a fool Cass.. You tend to run off at the mouth alot.. why dont you stick something in it, and shut the f**k up. Sheeesh man your full of your self. you think your the autority on everything.. and you come off like an ass.. but then thats just my opinion.

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Posted by Mr.Ben on Tue Jan 6th at 12:09pm 2004


Replys like that are the best way to prove someone is wrong, where did you come up with such an amazing retort? Oh wait i forgot something </sarcasm>

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Posted by matt on Tue Jan 6th at 12:41pm 2004


I'm not much up on US politics, but whatever happens, surly noody wants Bush replaced by someone worse. Just thinking about that man gets me livid.

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Posted by Leperous on Tue Jan 6th at 2:43pm 2004


? posted by matt

surly noody wants Bush replaced by someone worse.

Like, say, Bush again for another 4 years? From my comfy armchair critiquing position, it seems he's just in it for himself and his family, rather than the betterment of the American people (and certainly not the world)

/leaves his filthy ignorant European ass out of this for the rest of the thread





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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Jan 6th at 2:59pm 2004


Sure AA is a recruitement tool, but it can only take one so far. It only shows the good side of the military. Mind you I love the military so I am not trying to bash it. Simply showing the thruth.

The army isnt like in the game, sure you get to shoot and do mock up combat senarios but what they dont show is the actual basic training.

You've all played OP4 boot camp, The sarge yelling at you and insulting you is daily routine in basic training. If you've seen Full Metal Jacket, the sarge yelling at the soldiers and insulting them is the same as in the real deal. They want to test your breaking limits. But they dont show that in AA. They dont show all the physical training, they just show the shooting.

And on top of that, its not everybody that can pick up an M-16 and fire off 5 rounds on a 100 foot range with an average grouping WHILE standing. I've shot alot in my life, ranging from air rifles, BB pistols, .22 cal, Lee Enfields and up to the real deal, C7 (Canadian version of M-16), HK-91 sniper, and the Steyr Aug which you all know. But never was I able to shoot staning to military standards. Even if I was able to get my sniper quals in AA I am still can only reach basic marksman in real life.

AA shouldnt really be considered a recuirtment tool but more of a real life shooter just like the Rainbow Six series.

AA is a good game. The army is a great organisation. But AA does not fully depict military life. My dad was in the military, I am affiliated with the military to a certain extent. And I can tell you AA only shows off the good stuff. If you join the military only because you want to shoot the s**t out of someone like in AA, you are in for a suprise.

/my 2 cents

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 5:21pm 2004


? posted by Leperous

Like, say, Bush again for another 4 years? From my comfy armchair critiquing position, it seems he's just in it for himself and his family, rather than the betterment of the American people (and certainly not the world)

oh no no no...yer not getting out of it that easy , especially after a statement like that...

back up yer statement with some facts Lep....sitting in yer comfy armchair.....how can you say that "hes in it for himself"..." ?? christ almighty....have you become so complacent that you dont remember the first bombing in london that effected yer head?....this isnt about oil, this isnt about colonialization, this isnt about money...its about keeping yer ass safe too man....not just the US, BUT YER ASS TOO....!! what....are they gonnahave to be knocking on yer door AGAIN before you say...help??

....so much for me biting my tongue.....yer up.

Doc Brass...

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Jan 6th at 6:12pm 2004


AA also doesn't have anyof the real life gore and blood. They say that they want a larger audience, but it also shields people from the reality.



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Posted by Jinx on Tue Jan 6th at 6:27pm 2004


But America's Army's real purpose is to be a recruiting tool, which is why the game has been made freely available since July

Clearly George Dubbya and crew have watched "The Last Starfighter" a few too many times.






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