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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 6:44pm 2004


bah....what a crock of sheit....

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Posted by SuperCrazy on Tue Jan 6th at 7:07pm 2004


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Though your ability to make spontaneous and baseless assumptions about my political affiliations is quite admirable, I still think it's around that time to call you an ignorant bastard.

I commented specifically because I've seen your posts before and I know at a general level where you stand. Although I vehemently disagree with basically every political opinion you've posted, you do seem fairly intelligent. I was hoping you'd reply with something more than ad hominems, but I've been disappointed. (And yes, I'm well aware you're not trying to impress me.)

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There was an absolutely shocking photo on the cover of Newsweek (not sure if that's the one, I'll check tomorrow) with Dean, both fists in the air, mouth wide open, face red, yelling. He'd rolled up his sleeves before going on stage, where he immediately started screaming about the fight to take the country back - tell me that's not just the same 'emotional propaganda' that Bush uses, and I'll call you a fool.

I didn't know Dean personally determined the cover of Newsweek. And no, I don't consider Dean promising to take the country back for the people to be on the same level as Bush exploiting September 11 for his own political gain.




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 7:22pm 2004


? posted by SuperCrazy

I didn't know Dean personally determined the cover of Newsweek. And no, I don't consider Dean promising to take the country back for the people to be on the same level as Bush exploiting September 11 for his own political gain.

jesus...you guys really push my buttons these days...and youve come across this revelation...how?

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Jan 6th at 7:28pm 2004


? posted by SuperCrazy

Bush exploiting September 11 for his own political gain.

Weather this statement is true or not, I honestly don't see how you can condemn the man for it! can you point to a single politician in the histry of the world who would not have used such a momentous event as a political tool. He would be as dumb as everyone says he is if he didn't use it as such!





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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Jan 6th at 10:23pm 2004


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he'll step on his dick


I've heard of hung like a donkey, but that's just insane!




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Posted by Cassius on Tue Jan 6th at 10:33pm 2004


? posted by MoneyShot

As if we cared if you feel we're a fool Cass.. You tend to run off at the mouth alot.. why dont you stick something in it, and shut the f**k up. Sheeesh man your full of your self. you think your the autority on everything.. and you come off like an ass.. but then thats just my opinion.

($)

That's because I am the authority on everything - why else would I have an opinion? Much less factual evidence to support it? Such is hubris at it's most vile, to be sure, but considering the fact that you had failed to yet recognize my roaring ego is cause for me to believe that you may not be the reigning authority on Cassius, either.

But anyway, as you were.





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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Jan 6th at 10:38pm 2004


Smart reply Cass... I think you are unique in knowing these things to be true about your online persona and not caring - normally a person in your position would simply not care to know what they are like



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Posted by Leperous on Wed Jan 7th at 12:23am 2004


? posted by Dr Brasso

back up yer statement with some facts Lep....sitting in yer comfy armchair.....how can you say that "hes in it for himself"..." ?? christ almighty....have you become so complacent that you dont remember the first bombing in london that effected yer head?....this isnt about oil, this isnt about colonialization, this isnt about money...its about keeping yer ass safe too man....not just the US, BUT YER ASS TOO....!! what....are they gonnahave to be knocking on yer door AGAIN before you say...help??

Brass, I've never been terribly good about arguing my ground and aren't going to start now (especially on someone just as stubborn as I ), although that's not to say I have no evidence and are being completely one sided. All I'm going to say is that all Bush is going to be remember for is f**king the world up, rather than this crap about making my ass safer! And I have no idea what you're on about with this 'first bombing in london'? Are you referring to these asshats (who have always been around as IRA members or whoever but are now branded as 'Islamic extremists' our to kill me and my unborn children and raise house prices, to keep me scared and under control) and a possible future occurence which hopefully won't happen due to our security services doing their job, rather than us Winning The War Against Terror (which can't happen unless you either wipe 'them' all out, or stop doing the things you're doing that piss them off)





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Jan 7th at 1:59am 2004


posted by www.snarkpit.com http:>Leperous

Brass, I've never been terribly good about arguing my ground and aren't going to start now (especially on someone just as stubborn as I ),

we are a pair of stubborn bastards arent we....**tips hat to brother Lep...speaking of hats....i love this phrase...seriously...

Are you referring to these asshats ...what a visual that conjures up...

....and actually, it occurs to me, when i was going to school in germay back in the early 70's, there were the groups such as the Bader Meinhoff gang etc, bombing s**t for really silly reasons..thats the time frame i had in mind whilst not realizing that was not a good example, prolly before yer time....my mistake....but yes, those kinds of "asshats"... it effected me then, and it bothers me still...and you have been dealing with it alot longer than we have, which is the reason for my "complacency" statement....but it actually predates the IRA "asshats" , if im not mistaken......anyway

maybe i missed something in the translation from english to...um...english....but i dont think ole uncle george is in it for anything other than trying to make the world a better place, even if his methods are f**ked up, which im not saying they are, or are not....

Doc Brass...

btw...did we ever figure out why we have dissappearing "snarkmarks??....i seem to have ...um...."misplaced" about 50....

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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Wed Jan 7th at 2:07am 2004


Your account should be forever banned in America's Army if you die once.

You know, for realism.

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Jan 7th at 2:10am 2004


I think if anyone is guilty of complacency it's us Doc. not anymore certainly, but pre 9/11? there were terrorist bombings all over the world, just like those you speak of, and we did NOTHING. I supose there might have been covert operations, maybe some support for other countries, but nothing I know of. that above all else is what pisses me off. we should have been hunting all the "asshats" out there all along. [addsig]



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Jan 7th at 2:14am 2004


? posted by www.snarkpit.com http: Bullet??>Tracer Bullet

I think if anyone is guilty of complacency it's us Doc. not anymore certainly, but pre 9/11? there were terrorist bombings all over the world, just like those you speak of, and we did NOTHING. I supose there might have been covert operations, maybe some support for other countries, but nothing I know of. that above all else is what pisses me off. we should have been hunting all the "asshats" out there all along.

well spoken TB.....

mark this day down sir, we are in 100% agreement on those facts....thats a beef of mine as well....nothing like standing around watching yer brother get his ass kicked, if you get my drift...

? posted by Hornpipe2

Your account should be forever banned in America's Army if you die once.

You know, for realism.

kinda ruins the "recruitment factor" doesnt it??...

Doc Brass...

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Posted by Cassius on Wed Jan 7th at 8:44am 2004


I think then that I misunderstood impression of your original post - it still does sound offensive to my eyes, but if that wasn\'t the intention, then I apologize. If it was, then eye for an eye; the Cassius bites only when threatened.

I\'m no political scientest, but I know what I saw. The fact that Dean\'s picture was on the magazine had nothing to do with his manipulating it or whatnot - instead, it rather shows how completely ridiculous a scene he was making. Politics is a scene of complete pettiness today, at least for those politicians who are actually winning the elections. It\'s become a science of profit, rather than a science of morality, and I dare you to name one official in Congress or the President\'s cabinet, from any administration, that fought such a die-hard crusade against political corruption as to seriously reform the entire scene, while keeping his own sincerity. I believe that doing so is impossible - somebody who runs for President that\'s even good natured and honorable in life won\'t have a chance to sustain his own morality when put into office - the Commander in Chief is held by too many strings to count.

The Bush administration f**ked up badly. The fact that we now have the power to create real and visible change in the Middle East is awe-inspiring, and the fact that we caught Saddam is an amazing victory.

However, there were obvious ways to execute the entire situation better, and you probably have a good idea of many of them. In particular, he DID often (and wrongly) use 9/11 as a base to jusfity his war, and will play that same card in his reelection. But in NO LESS OF A WAY are the Democrats using the war in Iraq, which is an equal if not greater tradgedy, to propel their own campaigns. We have four hundred Americans and countless Iraqis dead. Obviously, the Administration should be held accountable for their part in creating the war, but ranting graphically about the deaths of Iraqi innocents and American soldiers - and saying that EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WAS IN VAIN - is something just as disgusting as Bush\'s use of 9/11. That\'s my complaint against the Democrats, really. Both sides need to have some respect and realize what it is they're really dealing with.

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Posted by fraggard on Wed Jan 7th at 11:43am 2004


? posted by Cassius

It\'s become a science of profit, rather than a science of morality

I'm not going to comment about the rest of the post. But it's quite nonsensical to talk about a "science" of morality. Morality is subjective by nature, which leaves no place for being scientific IMO. Politics always was and always will be a tool for profits or gain in some form.





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Posted by SuperCrazy on Wed Jan 7th at 7:05pm 2004


I do think there are plenty of politicians who have fought and are fighting to fix our broken system and do what they think is right. However, they tend not to last long though, and even if they do, they can't take on the entire system that has been established by themselves.

I don't think we have much power for effective and lasting change in the Middle East at the current moment. The current situation has been created by decades of building conflict, and a quick-fix through diplomatic means is not going to work even in the short term, much less the long term. Change through military force is unreasonable considering we're already spread so thin, and it would likely be viewed as entirely unacceptable by the rest of the world, and on an even greater scale than Iraq. We can begin taking small steps towards eventual solutions, but I think "real and visible" change is a long way off.

I suppose the emotional pandering for anti-war purposes is less visible to me since I agree with what they're saying. I don't think emotion should be removed from politics. That's one of the many reasons I support Dean - he strikes me as passionate and real. I can see how this can be disgusting to people on the opposite side of the spectrum though, much like my disgust with the actions and words of many Republicans.

I agree with most of what your last post said, but I just wanted to throw out those comments.




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Jan 7th at 10:42pm 2004


SuperCrazy

I do think there are plenty of politicians who have fought and are fighting to fix our broken system and do what they think is right. However, they tend not to last long though, and even if they do, they can\'t take on the entire system that has been established by themselves.

which is why the people of the US should take matters into their own hands....a little revolution now and then is a good thing.

I don\'t think we have much power for effective and lasting change in the Middle East at the current moment. The current situation has been created by decades of building conflict, and a quick-fix through diplomatic means is not going to work even in the short term, much less the long term.

bah...90% of the population in iraq is elated at the thought of having true freedoms, whether the political and economic climate is charged or not....same thing in afghanistan....do yer homework ye liberal....

Change through military force is unreasonable considering we\'re already spread so thin, and it would likely be viewed as entirely unacceptable by the rest of the world, and on an even greater scale than Iraq.

well lets see....if we are attacked again, or if the situation arises that we have to go into ANOTHER country, you can bet yer ass and yer housecat the draft would be reinstated in a new york second...security of this country will be determined on other playing fields than at home, bank on it...

We can begin taking small steps towards eventual solutions, but I think \"real and visible\" change is a long way off.

agreed....small steps, and cover our ass at the same time....you have to remember that these folks in the middle east for the most part are still living in the 18th century.....

I suppose the emotional pandering for anti-war purposes is less visible to me since I agree with what they\'re saying. I don\'t think emotion should be removed from politics.

well, if yer a believer in the liberal state of mind, then its inevitable that you will call a turd a tulip....and no, emotion IS a basis for political charging, but not necessarily the smartest one, imho...

That\'s one of the many reasons I support Dean - he strikes me as passionate and real. I can see how this can be disgusting to people on the opposite side of the spectrum though, much like my disgust with the actions and words of many Republicans.

this is the part of yer comments that frost my ass fully...do yer homework....the guy has no experience in anything other than bashing everyone, including his own party members, hes contradicting himself on a nearly weekly basis, he stumbles under pressure, he lacks foriegn policy skills in any arena....and yet youd follow him because hes \"passionate\"...and \"real\"....you must be kidding...i have this picture of a lemming jumping off a cliff.....be disgusted with whomever you\'d care to, but beware....the republicans are not the enemy....and we are at war....i personally will take a little bit of s**t from a republican president in order to make sure that my child is safe, secure, and able to take care of herself when she is of that age.....here endeth the sermon....

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Posted by Cassius on Thu Jan 8th at 12:01am 2004


? posted by fraggard
? posted by Cassius

It\'s become a science of profit, rather than a science of morality

I'm not going to comment about the rest of the post. But it's quite nonsensical to talk about a "science" of morality. Morality is subjective by nature, which leaves no place for being scientific IMO. Politics always was and always will be a tool for profits or gain in some form.

I use science in the figurative sense. Politics is a tool to create something positive, sure, but that doesn't degrade it in the least.





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Posted by Skeletor on Thu Jan 8th at 1:16am 2004


lol ube where are the awps

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Posted by SuperCrazy on Thu Jan 8th at 4:12am 2004


which is why the people of the US should take matters into their own hands....a little revolution now and then is a good thing.

I don't think we need to throw everything away and start from scratch, we'd probably end up with something worse than we have now. There are a lot of things that need to change though.

bah...90% of the population in iraq is elated at the thought of having true freedoms, whether the political and economic climate is charged or not....same thing in afghanistan....do yer homework ye liberal....

Yes, I agree that people generally enjoy freedom. I don't see what this has to do with what I said.

well lets see....if we are attacked again, or if the situation arises that we have to go into ANOTHER country, you can bet yer ass and yer housecat the draft would be reinstated in a new york second...security of this country will be determined on other playing fields than at home, bank on it...

I fear for the future of freedom in this country if we have another attack even close to the level of 9/11.

agreed....small steps, and cover our ass at the same time....you have to remember that these folks in the middle east for the most part are still living in the 18th century.....

Correct.

well, if yer a believer in the liberal state of mind, then its inevitable that you will call a turd a tulip....and no, emotion IS a basis for political charging, but not necessarily the smartest one, imho...

Partisan bulls**t in an otherwise good reply.

this is the part of yer comments that frost my ass fully...do yer homework....the guy has no experience in anything other than bashing everyone, including his own party members, hes contradicting himself on a nearly weekly basis, he stumbles under pressure, he lacks foriegn policy skills in any arena....and yet youd follow him because hes \"passionate\"...and \"real\"....you must be kidding...i have this picture of a lemming jumping off a cliff.....be disgusted with whomever you\'d care to, but beware....the republicans are not the enemy....and we are at war....i personally will take a little bit of s**t from a republican president in order to make sure that my child is safe, secure, and able to take care of herself when she is of that age.....here endeth the sermon....

You seem to have missed the "one of many reasons" part. I have done my research on Dean, thank you very much.





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Posted by Cassius on Thu Jan 8th at 5:40am 2004


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term partisan only apply if he were directly supporting a party?




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