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Posted by bengreenwood on Tue Aug 28th at 6:35pm 2007

Just saw this article about David Cameron, who could possibly be the next British Prime Minister (not that he actually will). It's saying about how he would ban more violent video games. Basically in my view it's a pretty disgusting attempt to exploit the public's reaction to the recent tragic shooting of an 11 year old kid over here.

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5978562

What a f**king weasel that guy is. Anyone with half a brain knows that the problem in today's society is the lack of discipline. Of course changing that would be unpopular with the brain-dead people in authority, so what do politicans like this guy do instead? Come up with quick-fix cons like this crap. As if a few video games are going to make much of a difference.





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Posted by OtZman on Tue Aug 28th at 6:52pm 2007

Have I missed something, was there no violence before the television was invented? As always, I find it stupid to blame everything on video games (or movies, or music). Let's hope this guy does not become Prime Minister.




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Posted by reaper47 on Tue Aug 28th at 6:56pm 2007

*sigh*

I doubt it'll be as bad as ze German laws, though.


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Posted by Crono on Tue Aug 28th at 7:56pm 2007

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Have I missed something, was there no violence before the television was invented?


According to all sources in power: yes. It's not like they teach history well enough for you to know the difference.


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Posted by fishy on Tue Aug 28th at 7:59pm 2007

and since the twat has thrown graffiti in with guns and gangs, it looks like they might even ban you from having your in-game spray too.


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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Aug 28th at 11:14pm 2007

? quoting Darby Conley
Ethics are so annoying. I avoid them on principle.



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Posted by Foxpup on Tue Aug 28th at 11:22pm 2007

Is it just me, or does he look like John DeLancie? Anyway, I doubt he'll be able to ban violent games, and... graffiti? How's he going to stop graffiti? By banning paint?


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Posted by Gaara on Wed Aug 29th at 7:19am 2007

If I hear about one more person saying that violent video games make people violent I'm going to punch them in the mouth.


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Posted by ReNo on Wed Aug 29th at 12:59pm 2007

It's the beautiful irony of Cameron slamming the Government for their "knee-jerk reactions" to violent crime that gets me, just before blaming and threatening bans on violent video games, music, graffiti, etc... image



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Posted by Gwil on Wed Aug 29th at 1:34pm 2007

I support certification of video games and tighter sales controls but ultimately these will fail - lack of responsibility (as opposed to discipline) on the part of the parents toward their children allows kids to both get hold of 18 Cert films/games and also allows them to roam the streets with no boundaries or curfew.

Unfortunately if adults continue to live in a society of self and shamless advancement of the self, children will emulate it however they see fit.

Fortunately for us it seems unlikely David Cameron and the Conservative party will win the next general election. Unfortunately it means the Labour party probably will....



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Posted by bengreenwood on Wed Aug 29th at 1:59pm 2007

Discipline/ responsibility, same thing, basically. Responsibility = self-discipline. I'm not saying bring back caning in schools but these days kids can just do what the f**k they want. It's changed in the last ten years. Ultimately British society is anti-discipline, anti-responsibility, and rewards a lot of people for being selfish.

That said the situation for students like me has improved. They bend over backwards to help you get a degree these days.

And yeah I agree that parenting is a big part of the problem. These chavvy parents support their kids whatever crazy s**t they get up to.





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Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 2:25pm 2007

Try holland for selfish people to be honest, britain isn't that bad yet <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> 99% of the people here probarbly shouldn't be allowed to play violent games / listen to violent music /watch violent movies since they aren't properly fed up by their parents which causes alot of crime and stuff (i live in one of the most criminal places in holland though, so it might jsut be the case here....)

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I don't think these things should be banned, rather try and educate the parents on what influences the games might have on their children and how to raise them properly.

So indeed parenting is the problem, not games.
I play mostly very brutally violen games (postal, mankind and such - i love them. ) yet i'v never ever been in a fight that i picked.
So imo it's defenatly not the video games i play that plan out my behaviour, i listen to death metal , grind core etc., and still i'm not violent or anything like that.

Politicians just want to 'look good' to the mainstream voter, which is obviously not a 19 year old gamer like me who couldn't give a monkeys anus about politics, and so they try and ban stuff here and there to pretend they're actually solving a problem.

I'll tell you, if i wasn't addicted to video games, music, and skateboarding, i'd probarbly be a drug dealer or criminal in another way. (no bulls**t)
And how are they going to ban it, just fire all the people in te gaming industries out there making violent games, or tell them to make 900 sequals to some lame childern's game that won't sell.
I thin kthat if countries start banning such games / genres out of their country, a pretty huge amount of people will be pretty pissed off at their governement.

(which often leads to more violence, yay, it really helps banning stuff doesn't it!)

I'm just glad it's in the uk now, not holland <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"> though they might ban mankind 2 <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif"> asshats.


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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Aug 29th at 2:37pm 2007

I did a speech on the stupidity of blaming violence on video games, even the people that support the idea have never been able to back it up with facts

the people that support it are all parents who don't want to take responsibility for their lack of ability to raise a child properly, at most the games might give some ideas, but never the intention



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Posted by Junkyard God on Wed Aug 29th at 2:40pm 2007

did you happen to keep notes of that speech? i might be meeting the prime minister of holland (guess that's what you call it) next week, and i was planning to start on this subject aswell as violent music effecting people's behaviour.

It would be great to have some really good arguments etc. other than the one's i'm working on myself, because they usually come from my own experiences.


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Posted by Gwil on Wed Aug 29th at 2:41pm 2007

I hear Holland is bad (in the top 5 for Europe) but the UK really is streaking ahead. Oh well, it's about time we came first in something for once!

The Times article

Telegraph article

Scotland "most dangerous place in world"

This quote sums it up really:

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The UN study backs up the results of an investigation from earlier this year carried out by the think-tank Civitas, which found that the UK had one of the world's highest crime rates.

It described the rise of crime in Britain as "so spectacular it was difficult to comprehend".


I got attacked by 5 lads for no reason, lost sight in my right eye and needless to say I rarely go into towns or cities after dark (even avoid them in the day) anymore. Britain is just too dangerous nowadays... 11 year old kids getting shot on a summer evening. What a lovely place to live!



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Posted by fishy on Wed Aug 29th at 2:52pm 2007

? quoting bengreenwood
I'm not saying bring back caning in schools

i'm not voting for you then. :P

it was normally a 3 pronged leather belt that was used in scotland, never a cane, and it was pretty effective at maintaining order. i'd be glad to see its return, tbh.




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Posted by bengreenwood on Wed Aug 29th at 5:31pm 2007

s**t, Gwil, sorry to hear about your eye, and the other s**t. Is the damage permanent?



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Posted by Gwil on Wed Aug 29th at 5:46pm 2007

Yeah all permanent unfortunately :/ Yoi get down with it for a while but bounce back in time. This was a coupla years back now, I took a long vacation to Australia for time out which helped a lot.

This is the half of the problem I don't understand - the escalating violence on British streets more often than not is not even related to theft, it's just attacks for the sake of attacks. 2 of my friends also got done over in Derby too. I'm just glad for small mercies such as gun crime not yet reaching us - life must be really s**t in Manchester, London, Nottingham, Glasgow etc etc.



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Posted by bengreenwood on Wed Aug 29th at 6:20pm 2007

I don't know, I don't mean to be patronising because your situation sounds like a bastard but I don't think things are that bad. I think you've just been really unlucky (to put it mildly). Or maybe it's worse where you are than here (Sheffield), I dunno.

Sure there are bad areas where you will get mugged in every city but it's not like it's everywhere. Most places walking around day or night you're alright, of course you will occasionally get some weird nutter walking up to you talking s**t at night but it's always been like that.

I think there's more of a problem with chavs and others being disrespectful and just anti-social (i.e. f**king up phone boxes or bus shelters) more than violent.





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Posted by reaper47 on Wed Aug 29th at 7:59pm 2007

I didn't know about your injury, too, Gwil. Those bastards!

If caning was brought back to schools etc it would just give them another excuse for why they turned out so violent. Doesn't sound very helpful to me.


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