As long as I'm forced to buy games that I don't want, or already own, even if I can "gift them to a friend", I won't be playing any tf2.

FF ftw.

hHL2 is all you need for FF

What in the world?

You haven't played TF2 so how the hell do you know how it plays. I don't have to even download FF to know it'll be full of that triple conc jump cap the flag in 7 sec on 2fort garbage that, coupled with cookable grenade spam, ruined TFC. I don't see how anyone who 'seriously' played TFC on release and immediately after who watched the game degenerate into crap because of the very 'features' FF is trumpeting could possibly look forward to it. Hell, FF is even reintroducing bunnyhopping and various Quake trickjumps, which is mind boggling and speaks directly to their understanding of good game design and balance (ie: they have none).

laugh and a half, you were spouting off on TF2 as if you know how it will play, and yet when I comment on a game that's TFC reskinned and rebalanced for 'competitive play' i get personal attacks. Need I requote what you posted that I was responding to? Oh and somehow I think I'm either your age or older so shove that whole talking down to me up your ass.

Yes yes, made concs less powerful, decreased grenade explosion ranges, and probably other tiny nuances I'm not privy to. So what. Servers will still run with match rules about no OvO, no midfield fighting, class restrictions, and other lame crap. Guess what, if that happens that means your game isn't balanced. As long as offhand grenades are in the game they will still be the overwhelmingly dominant way of killing people, which again, leads to spam and yawn-inducing grenadefests where your main weapon no longer matters. Yet FF people/fans have taken every opportunity to bash TF2 for removing the very grenades which sucked the fun out of TFC.

Bunnyhopping. In a game where class speed is one of the balancing factors. That makes real sense. Congratulations, you have recoded a 10 year old physics glitch into an engine that supposedly has real simulated physics.

And finally concjumping. Don't even feed me that line where I have to 'play it myself' in order to see if they fixed them. The only fixing would be to remove their use as a grenade jump, which I am certain did not happen.

From what I hear you'll be happily playing with nearly nobody when TF2 is released.

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My intent wasn't to start a huge slapfight, but you know me. I guess my problem with FF is that I really really loved TFC, was in a clan in some early league I no longer remember, and was really f**king good at it. But then, slowly but surely the game degenerated into pure s**t, as most kills came from primed grenades and spam, and offense became nothing but a few medics concing their way through the map. And to add insult to injury servers started enforcing those damn match rules in pubs, making the game even less worth playing. Match rules which, frankly, are a joke in every sense of the word, as even in competitive play they were unnecessary. And yet here we are, these same 'progamers' who ruined TFC decide that they are going to bring the 'real' TFC experience to the masses, fully preloaded with their bulls**t, endlessly bashing TF2 at every chance because their precious primed spam and concs were finally, mercifully, removed. So maybe if you weren't taking shots at it I wouldn't have posted.

And yes, I know a tiny bit about FF because I did look into it for potentially mapping for it (since there's pretty much nothing for Source out there), but once I realised that the mod was featuring the very same playstyles, tactics, design, and behavior that ruined TFC I said nuts to that.