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Re: On behalf of Orpheus
Posted by Gollum on Mon Jan 5th at 6:53pm 2004


Orph. has asked me to post this message; it was originally drafted as a private message on Prefabland.
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Friends,Neighbors,Countrymen-lend me your ears...

You know guys, I could go into the melodramatics and slobber this all up, but whats the use? Yeah, I admit my leaving was rather swift in looking at it, but it was really a long time in coming if you think about it. Ask yourself, how many conflicts have occurred in my absence? I imagine very few to be honest about it.

Seriously guys. I am plain and simple tired of all the fights, I come online to get away from it, and yet always seem to either be the cause, or in the middle of almost every ordeal, and thats just wrong. One has to ask, what is the common denominator?

The last time I threatened to leave snarkpit, I left a long letter clear full of self pity, and except for a very few faithful, no one took it seriously, because??? well because Orph just doesn't leave.. I have to admit myself, if I were new to the site, I prolly wouldn't like myself much either, it indeed takes time, and most especially a personal need,to want to get to know
someone, and damned few at snarkpit really want to it seems.

http://www.snarkpit.com/forums.php?forum=2&topic=706&r=67 the catalyst?
yeah, but all in all not really worth quitting over though.

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Each of your posts have subtle remarks trying to bait people to react so you can slam into them.

here is where I begin to falter, how does one talk
to people who insist there is hidden meaning contained within everything one writes? I cannot deal with such, its as if they want to fight, and all the
while retain the rights to blame it all on the other party... If nothing else holds true, I have been the same throughout all my online time, I seldom alter my views, and almost never withhold my feelings even when
circumstances dictated otherwise. Why do people always insist I have a hidden agenda? when I am so damned outspoken.

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Christ almighty orph, Enough m8

TRANSLATION= "SHUT THE
f**k UP ALREADY WILLYA, WE ARE SO TIRED OF IT ALL"
The last straw, even though I admit I was running out of ways to end this properly, friends never tell friends to shut-up. Even if I took this the wrong way, it still says allot about how people deal with people at snarkpit. Opinions- DO NOT HAVE TO BE SHARED WITH
ANYONE TO BE VALID! This is a fact, I have never been able to get anyone else online to share, I
will be the first to acknowledge, my viewpoint on many topics is somewhat narrow, but it is still how I look at them, and no one has the right to say I am wrong in doing so.

People of snarkpit have the same rights as well, but its HOW they word those rights, that is what separates the two. When was the last time I told anyone "YOUR WRONG?", actually I cannot remember using those words,because its just not me. I do, almost always
disagree, but I attempt to state that belief as an opinion, and being opinion it doesn't mention anyone by name, so it remains general in terms. Yes, the fact that I often quote peoples words, seems to be a direct attack
on them, but with text, how else does one bring a topic at snarkpit to center-stage? How often does a topic go astray? and how else would one bring it back to where you want to discuss something without directly quoting
them? Even though I often fail to express myself in any meaningful way, and more often I completely lose the other parties attention doing so, it doesn't mean I intended to have it go that way.

Lastly, friends don't attempt to change friends. This is the main issue here, on several occasions people have tried to change me to their viewpoint, this happens, I understand that,shoot even I do it, BUT when I see that its just not going to happen, I desist and move on,
something damned few others seem able to do. Even all my confrontations with DocRock, I never
attempted to change him, although it did look as if I were, I was in reality just repeatedly pointing out HIS FAULTS, and even that was only payback for the humiliation he gave me that time when I was gone and couldn't even defend myself. Opinions, do not have to be shared to be valid, as long as they are not
destructive, they should
be allowed..

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you need to decide which group of mappers you want to be a member of, the ones who release quality, or the ones who don't.

time spent, should never be a deciding factor on why you release a map.

if the map was worth the time so far, it will continue to be worth the time it takes to achieve what you want.

i get really upset, when i see talent wasted, you have talent, now maybe you should develop the rest of what it takes to make a map.

pick your group wisely, cause once you do, its hard to switch to the better one later on.

/my harsh 2 cents.

I could copy/paste this response, and use it with every post about a new map, and it would be just as right, and unbiased with each posting, its not a personal attack on anyone, just a comment I think valid and noteworthy
enough to repeat, as many times as it takes to get them to listen. Its not a wrong comment in any way, and it is one that can have far reaching benefits if adhered to. Why people chose to turn it into a fight is totally beyond
me, but the really talented ones always seem to.


This letter has already exceeded my limits on just how long I wanted to explain myself, but I
wanted you to know, my decision wasn't rash, or rushed, and it definitely wasn't easy to make,
but I just cannot handle the confrontationalism anymore, but I also, as long as I have breath,
I cannot overlook one either, so as long as I am around, I will continue to do so, and THATS the reason I left.
If you like, or care to, you may post this at snarkpit, you have my permission, it in no way places blame, it is only intended to explain my apparent disappearance.

Snarkpit is my home, but no more so than [DRS] was, and when the clan grew to tedious to deal with, I left there as well.

be good guys, and yes I am copy/pasting this message, I just cannot bring myself to write it repeatedly, so if you realize I did this, don't be offended.

Orph

[addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Mon Jan 5th at 8:19pm 2004


Gollum ya do me a favor now ya. Send the PM I sent ya to John eh.

[addsig]




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Posted by Gollum on Mon Jan 5th at 9:03pm 2004


Very well, but if you two start playing e-mail tennis don't expect me to act as the net [addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Mon Jan 5th at 10:25pm 2004


To me it seems sad that the thread Orph linked to shows most people supporting his view... He could have at least picked one of the more spectacular 'Orph vs the world' ones

Lep - why does stripslashes not always work? every now and then I see a thread with a bunch of ' and " in it.




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Posted by 2dmin on Mon Jan 5th at 10:38pm 2004


orph was a good man. he was strongly opinionated and this was misunderstood. he contributed a lot to Snarkpit, so he deserves much respect. [addsig]



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Posted by Jinx on Mon Jan 5th at 10:50pm 2004


Orph is probably the greatest contributor to this site, but why does he have to be such a drama queen about everything All he's doing by leaving is depriving us of his 1337 feedback, the selfish bastard. The only person who's ever gotten that bent out of shape about any of the spats he's had is... Orpheous. And usually I can't for a clue figure out why. Take a vacation or a chill pill and come back you bastard.

(that's my HARD LOVE for the day! )





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Posted by Wild Card on Mon Jan 5th at 11:46pm 2004


? posted by Gollum
Very well, but if you two start playing e-mail tennis don't expect me to act as the net

I just dun have a contact email. Only his briefcase.

[addsig]




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Posted by Cassius on Tue Jan 6th at 12:04am 2004


? posted by Jinx

Orph is probably the greatest contributor to this site, but why does he have to be such a drama queen about everything All he's doing by leaving is depriving us of his 1337 feedback, the selfish bastard. The only person who's ever gotten that bent out of shape about any of the spats he's had is... Orpheous. And usually I can't for a clue figure out why. Take a vacation or a chill pill and come back you bastard.

(that's my HARD LOVE for the day! )

First off, I don't want to hear another word about your 'hard love'.

Second, Orpheous did have a tendancy to overdramatize, as was his nature, but that was just who he was. That facet of his personality was undoubtedly problematic at times, but was it really that big of a deal? No, not to me. If you wanted to hear what he had to say, you listened, and if you didn't, you just forgot about the thread (however I can only recall about three points in my entire history here at which I actually disagreed with him, so I don't think I'm really in much of a position to say this.)

Any problems he caused were far outweighed by his amazing skill and competence in a number of areas, his reviews especially - which to this very day, not a single one of us can touch.

If he wants to leave though, so be it, that's his call and his choice, no matter if you disagree with it or not. It's unfair to call him selfish when you would have him stay chained to a community he was so amazingly instrumental to, yet a good half of it was in contempt of him.





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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Jan 6th at 12:11am 2004


? posted by Jinx

Orph is probably the greatest contributor to this site, but why does he have to be such a drama queen about everything All he's doing by leaving is depriving us of his 1337 feedback, the selfish bastard. The only person who's ever gotten that bent out of shape about any of the spats he's had is... Orpheous. And usually I can't for a clue figure out why. Take a vacation or a chill pill and come back you bastard.

(that's my HARD LOVE for the day! )

Maybe its because he never intended to have any spats and most of the ones that he had were because people refused to read what he posted, extrapolated his words beyond what he said, or took it personally? I've known him as long as anyone and I am not surprised he got fed up with it all. Most would just take a break and come back later but he has no qualms completely and utterly removing himself.

The way things have been going here it was only a matter of time.

and Orph's email is in his profile...





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Posted by Jinx on Tue Jan 6th at 1:13am 2004


ah well I'm just trying to make light of things a little. and I never did understand some things about how Orph reacted to things, or why any of that stuff was such a big deal to anyone, himself included. But in any case, he will be missed



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Posted by G4MER on Tue Jan 6th at 1:42am 2004


Take care Orph.. I'll be around on-line to chat or what-ever if you want to.

I was a member of Pre-Fab Land and met Orph there. He told me all about this great group of mappers that hung around on a site called the SnarkPit, and he said I would fit right in, and should come check it out. So I did.. I have to thank him for introducing me to this group.. I have learned much from it.

The one thing that chaps my hide about this site is all the America bashing that goes on here. Makes a person not even want to bother with the site...

Money

[addsig]




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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Jan 6th at 1:58am 2004


Who wants to join me and build a golden Orph? It'll be just like that part in the bible where the burning bush talks! He probably won't post as much as the old one, but at least he won't kick you when you try to hug him.



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Posted by Jinx on Tue Jan 6th at 2:01am 2004


? posted by MoneyShot

The one thing that chaps my hide about this site is all the America bashing that goes on here. Makes a person not even want to bother with the site...

Money

We don't bash America, just the retarded asshats that run it!





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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Jan 6th at 2:12am 2004


If it wasent for him, I would never have finished a single map. And then again, I have yet to truly finish a map. So my next, D_C2 will be finished and will be for him.

Me, you, and Snarkpit wouldnt be the same without him. And for the few poor bastards that took his words a little too deep, piss off.

Orph was and still is my friend. Sure not everybody can see eye to eye on everything. The first time I made a map and he helped me I got quite a few comments I deemed very rude. But they were just and true.

Orph always mentioned his words as OPINIONS NOT FACTS.

How some people didnt get that is beyond me. Orph decided after taking in a load of crap to take a break, be it temporary (I can only hope) or permanent. But none the less, we all have lost both a friend, a fellow mapper, and a valuable source of feedback for our maps.

I hope you guys are proud. Cause I'm not.

Will miss ya John.

[addsig]




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jan 6th at 2:48am 2004


jesus h. christ, some of you guys never cease to amaze me with the loads of sheit that come out of yer mouths....hes one of the most honest and forthright people in the f**kin hl community ive ever met...grow up and deal with the harsh realities of life, or get the f**k off the train....if you think HE was harsh, well, ive got news for ya....he was KIND to most of us....and even when we didnt deserve that kindness, he gave of himself anyway....sit back and reflect, and if you have a f**king brain in yer head, youll see that he only wanted to bring out the best IN ALL OF US!!! whether we deserved it or not....

just my 2 cents....

Doc Brass....





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Posted by OtZman on Tue Jan 6th at 3:09am 2004


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Posted by Skeletor on Tue Jan 6th at 3:48am 2004


? posted by Alien_Sniper
Who wants to join me and build a golden Orph? It'll be just like that part in the bible where the burning bush talks! He probably won't post as much as the old one, but at least he won't kick you when you try to hug him.

I get enough church when I am forced to go to mass every Sunday.

[addsig]




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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Tue Jan 6th at 4:36am 2004


? posted by Skeletor
? posted by Alien_Sniper
Who wants to join me and build a golden Orph? It'll be just like that part in the bible where the burning bush talks! He probably won't post as much as the old one, but at least he won't kick you when you try to hug him.

I get enough church when I am forced to go to mass every Sunday.

I don't remember the burning bush posting on message boards or kicking people, nor did anyone try to hug it (I mean, who wants to light themselves on fire?)

...oh wait, you meant Orph.

[addsig]




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Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Jan 6th at 4:56am 2004


Wow, I go to work for a few days straight, come back and I have no clue what's been happening. [addsig]



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Jan 6th at 5:41am 2004


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If it wasent for him, I would never have finished a single map. And then again, I have yet to truly finish a map. So my next, D_C2 will be finished and will be for him.

Me, you, and Snarkpit wouldnt be the same without him. And for the few poor bastards that took his words a little too deep, piss off.

Orph was and still is my friend. Sure not everybody can see eye to eye on everything. The first time I made a map and he helped me I got quite a few comments I deemed very rude. But they were just and true.

Orph always mentioned his words as OPINIONS NOT FACTS.

How some people didnt get that is beyond me. Orph decided after taking in a load of crap to take a break, be it temporary (I can only hope) or permanent. But none the less, we all have lost both a friend, a fellow mapper, and a valuable source of feedback for our maps.

I hope you guys are proud. Cause I'm not.<IMG src="images/smiles/icon_cry.gif">

Will miss ya John.


How touching, except his name is Jon...





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