The Snarkpit Relaunch
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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Tue Aug 19th at 6:15pm 2008


Quoting Sim
It seems that all maps have 1 rating right now of 0 stars. Unless someone is actually rating all maps 0 stars it's a bit misleading.



These ratings are titled "unrated" if you mouseover them, however I have altered the graphics by adding the text "unrated" to clarify their meaning.




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Riven on Wed Aug 20th at 1:44am 2008


I say you should make a little 'ode to the developer' section in the site when you're finished. A tribute and a 'thank-you' for the man who brought us up out of the darkness and into a new refreshed light!

-Thanks for all the work you're doing. I hope this is benefiting you as much as it is us! smiley






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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by haymaker on Wed Aug 20th at 1:49am 2008


Quoting Riven
I say you should make a little 'ode to the developer' section in the site when you're finished. A tribute and a 'thank-you' for the man who brought us up out of the darkness and into a new refreshed light!

-Thanks for all the work you're doing. I hope this is benefiting you as much as it is us! smiley


Seconded.

An environment free of advertising is a healthier one by a long shot smiley

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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 20th at 2:16am 2008


In the links area

Prefabland
Editing Collective
Hot Death Diner
Half-Life Radio
Source Prefabs
HL2 Coders
Cheroke Team
Half-life.org
halflife2source
PCGameMods
hl2mappers

Are all broken, domain is lost, or lead to nowhere.

Also, how about a "new threads" area, so we can click it and get a nice listing of all the new threads since we've been on the site?

Also, a "newest post" link per thread would be nice.



Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by tnkqwe on Wed Aug 20th at 5:31am 2008


Where are all my Snark Marks and the photo of me,why can't I comet maps,tutorials...?
The site is fixed,but there are removed things,that i miss!I think that the old SnarkPit is iven better.




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Wed Aug 20th at 7:47am 2008


Cheers guys

1) Links Page

Everything on here is editable by site admins via the control panel. When I redid the site Gwil requested this so that it would be easy for him to update the page.

I pointed out at the time that most of the links were dead, but now that it is easy to add/edit/remove links from this page I am sure that he'll be able to fix any current problems when he gets time.

Its not something I have touched because I have no idea what should or shouldn't be on there, or if any sites have new URLs etc

2)New threads/last post link I'll look into certainly

3)This thread was started in November. I started developing the new site in February. There was a beta site for months. As far as I can recall snarkmarks were never mentioned, noone requested them when it was obvious they weren't a part of the new site (there was a "Feature request list" on the beta site which was started in May to cover things like this).

I could look at bringing them back but tbh since in all that time noone has mentioned them I'm not convinced it is something that would be worth spending time on. I would also need to be told how the system actually worked in order to recreate it.

You can comment maps. When you view a map there is a huge box titled "reviews". In it there is a button called "write review".

Originally this was called "comments" and you could post any short comment you wished, but in discussions here and on the beta site members of this forum argued that there should be a minimum word limit of 200, which I added despite my own objections that this would simply discourage user feedback and leave the system mostly unused/redundant.

If you would prefer a shorter commenting system instead of the 200 word minimum reviews then thats something that could maybe be further discussed amongst yourselves.

Comments on articles would appear to have been overlooked. I would assume that is something that should be added really... is that another place that would require a 200-word minimum?





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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Gwil on Wed Aug 20th at 10:06am 2008


I relent! You can reduce the 200 word limit if it means we get comments back, and keep people happy. Perhaps admins can still have the red cross/edit pad to moderate comments though - with a guideline (eg Try to feedback constructive and relevant, identify good and bad areas of the map).

Links, i'll sort out later thanks Crono - unless larchy got there first. I know for one to be added as well in MapCore so that's good.

Snarkmarks, don't bother returning IMO. If there is a loud enough outcry, maybe so, but I don't think they're pivotal to the site in any way.

Apologies for my fleeting presence still, only got one more family birthday to clear but it's my dads 60th so not only do we have that (I cook round here..) but I have a party to cater for on Saturday too smiley




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Jinx on Wed Aug 20th at 11:41pm 2008


I'm glad to see my concerns about excessive image compression have been taken seriously ;p

And why are my maps popular smiley

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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Thu Aug 21st at 7:21am 2008


Turning up the image quality was one of the first things I did smiley

Even if the old ones weren't so bad the space saving was negligible.


You might be getting quite a lot of views because your maps are appearing on the "recent updates" list, and one is spotlighted and so is frontpage all the time.

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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Jinx on Thu Aug 21st at 8:58pm 2008


Quoting larchy
Turning up the image quality was one of the first things I did smiley


Um I was being sarcastic. They actually look worse than before. It seems we have traded compression artifacts for DOOM-esqu pixelation?

I don't like the new 'profiles' either. The one-page profiles that showed your actual maps were much more user-friendly and useful. They could serve as a makeshift portfolio, even. The current profiles are pretty bland, with only tiny links to actually look at your work. And what it takes you to is just a search page on the regular map database- your maps are not even part of your actual profile! Oh, and my *beta* maps don't show up at all.

Basically, there are no "pits" any more. Just useless user profiles like any generic forum has.

Sorry to be negative, I know you put a lot of work into the new site. But I just don't see how this is an improvement. As far as I can tell, the big change is that we are losing features left and right.

[ Edited by Jinx on Thu Aug 21st 2008 at 9:05pm - total edits: 3]




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Fri Aug 22nd at 7:47am 2008




On the left is IE, on the right FF3. I would suggest your image scaling issues are a result of the browser you are using. If this is the case then I would suggest you use a better browser such as Safari, Opera, Firefox, Camino, Konquerer or anything else that isn't IE to resolve the issue.



Beta maps would appear to be displaying for me. Is anyone else having this issue? I'm not sure how it could occur and cannot replicate the issue so if a problem exists some additional information would be welcome in resolving the problem.




As for missing features, as stated above I am really bound by what was asked for by members over 10months in the "relaunch" thread and 3 months of the beta site which I created for exactly such reasons.If you had such issues then it is unfortunate that you did not voice them within the past three months so that I could have acted on them while the site was being developed.

I am new to this community and do not know all the features that ppl use/wanted discarded from the older site. I stated this and asked many times for member's input for this reason. For example I did not know 'pits' even existed until Fishy (I think) requested them on the beta site, after which I wrote a file manager+all the admin stuff to enable them. I am therefore confused that you state they are no longer present. Perhaps you could clarify this for me and explain exactly what is missing and I shall try to fix it.

If other things are missing/different then it is because that is what has been asked for by members. However I am already looking at the profiles section and asked a few days ago here for any feedback people might have regarding how we could improve things:

Quoting larchy

I was thinking of maybe developing user profiles a bit since, as you say, some ppl like to use them as their mapping portfolios.

Something along the lines of adding tabs to the profile page that would show a gallery of a user's maps/downloads etc, sprucing up the current profile page design and maybe adding something like a "featured items" section that a user could choose to display.

A 'favourites' list might be good as well, a system so user's could add a map/article etc as a 'fav' and the resulting list could be added to the profiles. Would also give people another way of sorting through the site content in addition to the current rating system.


I wouldn't want anyone to feel disappointed with the revamp, so while I probably won't have as much time to devote to things as I did when I was still producing the new site a few months back, if I can improve things then I will try to find the time to do it, contingent upon actually getting feedback & ideas for where we can take things.

thanks smiley


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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Fri Aug 22nd at 7:58am 2008


Just to further explore the image quality issue:

Old thumb:


Old Full:


New thumb:


New full:



The changes are:
New images are bigger
New images are processed using a GD quality setting of 80 rather than the old value of 60 (IIRC)

So I *think* any pixellation is going to be down to a browser with an old/poor rendering engine which doesn't handle the scaling very well as all the old mishmash of differently sized images from the old site are shoehorned into the new one.

I don't think the issue is all that bad though.





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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by G4MER on Fri Aug 22nd at 9:53am 2008


YAY! Nice work!



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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Gwil on Fri Aug 22nd at 1:04pm 2008


One of the main thrusts behind getting the site overhauled was to eliminate the problems faced in administration and removing redundant content, and also circumventing PHP errors which were becoming ever more frequent - and impossible to solve. A lot of the things that have been trimmed or recategorised are much better off as there isn't errors with the code, and it's reduced the load on the database.

Just to point out larchy our coder has done a complete rework from scratch for an excellent deal and added hours of his own time for free to address concerns or queries which have arisen.

I do support a change to the profile page, admittedly my input has been minimal to larchy as i'm often caught up with my own business to attend to so haven't pointed the way as much as I could. If we reinstate a profile with a map listing underneath the jabber at the top, that would be useful.

larchy - image resizing, Jinx is correct. If you look though, new maps from Sim and Muhnay are fine. It looks to me like your resample is resampling the already resampled images from the old site, thus the deterioration appears. So there isn't anything wrong with the script or the browser, it's just a consequence of using the old content with the new site.




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Fri Aug 22nd at 1:53pm 2008


If there is a sort of consensus as to what the profile page needs & how to organise it then that'd be cool.


I'm not sure about the images tbh. There isn't actually any resampling being done on any old images.

The old thumbnails/images get stretched to fit into the larger spaces on the new layout, but the images themselves don't get modified.

Its not ideal as it relies on the images being resized by the browser, which is why I thought the problem was that.

New images are fine because they are resized tot he correct dimensions when you upload them, but above Jinx said the new images were worse than the new ones. This is what I don't understand smiley




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Gwil on Fri Aug 22nd at 1:58pm 2008


But all the maps added since we launched the new site are fine. Look at Muhnays work, or Sims. They look perfect. Everything else has gone a little 16 bit on us.



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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Fri Aug 22nd at 2:11pm 2008


Yeah because the thumbnails are being stretched from the old size of 120x90 to 240xwhatever, fullsize 800x600 (usually) to 946xwhatever

But that gets taken care of by the browser. The alternative is maybe to stop forcing the sizes, which might make the layout go a bit odd for the older content... but could try it and see.

I wanted to up the size & quality of everything which is why the new images are much bigger, but it does have the downsize of fitting in the older content unfortunately.

Hmmmmm

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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by larchy on Fri Aug 22nd at 2:28pm 2008


If I stop forcing the dimensions the old thumbnails revert to their original dimensions thus:



Um, yus.

(Just to clarify, it would otherwise look like this:




...which is like that on FF, more pixelly on IE)

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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Jinx on Fri Aug 22nd at 2:49pm 2008


http://www.snarkpit.net/index.php?s=maps&uid=49

My Museum/Art Gallery beta map isn't showing there, although the link on the front page worked... until it was scrolled off by other update news. I can only find it now using the site's global search option:

http://www.snarkpit.net/index.php?s=maps&game=1&mod=4&map=2775

As for browsers, I'm still using Firefox 2. It doesn't scale stuff up as smoothly as FF3 I guess, but using "view image" on the pics I can now see that the scaling is the issue, not the quality of the images. I'll re-upload pics and see how they look.

As for requested features, I was of the impression that making this more of a portfolio site was the main point of the revamp:

Snarkpit Relaunch Thread, page 1, post 1, by Gwil:
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This is to replace the Snarkpit Suggestions/Bugs Thread, in light of the proposed changes we will undertake. It seems clear to me now that the site as a reference for tutorials/scripting guides etc is slightly redundant in the face of Wiki style content management and other superior resources. In respect of this, I would prefer to move Snarkpit toward the area in which it really shines, as a portfolio site for all mappers. I hope to conserve the current user stock, although I can't guarantee anything until i've discussed it with coder people.


After that post, why would any of us question that the pits were going anywhere? And I saw that thread as more for requesting *new* features, not asking that major older features were retained.




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Re: The Snarkpit Relaunch
Posted by Gwil on Fri Aug 22nd at 2:55pm 2008


I don't see what's wrong still? Pits are still here, if used by only a few people - in the first place there was only a handful of active pits anyway.

Do you mean by Pits, webspace on this site, or do you mean profiles?

Incidentally, Jinx, i've just reenabled webhosting for your account. So you now have a "Pit" - I don't think however, any old stuff will be there. That may have been retained in the oldsite backup folders.

[ Edited by Gwil on Fri Aug 22nd 2008 at 3:00pm - total edits: 1]





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