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Posted by tnkqwe on Fri Dec 19th at 8:29pm 2008

I'm still learning English.I have speling problems(and so have othirs),so I think the Pit needs a "check spelling" button.


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Posted by G4MER on Fri Dec 19th at 9:05pm 2008

Once again this is not needed. If you use Firefox, or Safari, they both have built in spell checking programs. If you misspell a word it will have a red line under the word. You right click on the word and it will give you a list of words you may of meant to use.



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Posted by Leperous on Sat Dec 20th at 8:15pm 2008

Thought I'd pop by and see how things were going, site looks pretty horrible but who cares, it's fantastic to see everything is still going strong!



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Posted by tnkqwe on Sat Dec 20th at 8:43pm 2008

You're back,Leperous?It was really about time.Welcome back.


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Posted by Riven on Sun Dec 21st at 6:43am 2008

You betcha things are still going err, strong! I mean, Larchy is fixing things as they come and when he has time. I don't think the site looks bad at all, but then again, I'm not a connoisseur of site design, nor do I have a lot of experience in it, but it's functional and the community has backed it up.

Glad to see you pop in from time to time; will you ever stay for longer than a post or two though? It's good to hear from ya.

I found the time now to make a post about this: I've been keeping a list of little and big things I've come across over the past couple of months as I've used the pit. They're either changes, or additions to certain already existing features. I would have posted them earlier, but I had wrote them in shorthand and they probably wouldn't make much sense unless I explained some of them, so for your appeasement, I will identify a few things that have caught me off-guard here on the pit since the last big update:

  1. No AIM icon in the user profile page for those who have it. But there is an icon on their posts. What's up with that?

  2. Regarding maps in Beta: Maps should be able to have a related thread (e.g. A thread linked to the map's profile) only if they are in Beta. AND maps that are in beta with a related thread should have their comments on their profile disabled (no comments can be made about a map on its profile page if it is in Beta with a related thread activated). But Beta maps without a related thread can have their comments active. This should be a note to the author before selecting the "In Beta" checkbox for their Map so they know.

  3. Only after maps have been considered out of Beta (The user updates the map's profile and unchecks the "In Beta" checkbox) then the related thread (if there was one) would become locked and the comments for that map's profile would become activated. Once a user uploads a map without selecting the "In Beta" checkbox, OR if they update the map's profile and switch it to NOT in Beta, then they can never switch the map back to being in Beta because we would not want anyone abusing the locking and unlocking of their map's related thread by constantly changing the status of their map's profile and not have it reflect user's comments. If it was a mistake and they need to switch it back to Beta, then an admin would be able to do it for them.

  4. A user should not be able to rate a map unless they've downloaded the map. (a.k.a. clicked the link). Provided there is one. Maps without a download link must be in Beta and cannot be rated yet.

  5. We should have (EDIT: NEED) a "Meet our newest member ______" line at the top of the front page!

  6. -And also, to stick with tradition, we should have a smaller line mentioning: "This is SnarkPit version 4.##" -Whatever version you reckon we're on?

  7. Highlight or at least bold "1 new message" when you have unread messages so that it helps you notice it.

  8. In the "unread forum posts" section (the page you go to after clicking "no new updates" at the top, if there is a topic listed there, it says "by" but does not list "by who" ? Just a blank.

  9. On the "user browsing page" make a label to show the max number of users ever on the site and the date it occurred (there should already be a fieldset for this in the database because it was on the old site).

  10. Bring back the "answer/wrong answer" feature in the editing forums with the ability for admins to monitor or change them. Is it possible to re-identify/re-associate all the old ones too? -And be able to filter out when searching posts if they've been answered "correct" or not? -For posts that have not been set with this feature, simply label them as "unanswered" and admins can go back and apply them as they see fit.

  11. In the category for Half-Life 2 (core game), let there be options for (episode 1) & (episode 2) versions of the game, so people know which version the map is for.

  12. Show an "online/offline" status (with the online status being green colored) on all user's posts (below all the info and before any icons) and on user profile pages. If you click it when they're online, it would send you to the page they were currently viewing or if that's not possible, clicking on it would send you to the "users browsing" page (note: it's only clickable if they're online)

  13. Is it possible to re-associate all the old comments with the older maps that had them? -That's a lot of lost info.

  14. Bring back the comment system for the articles/tutorials -and be sure to bring back all the old comments for older articles too! -That is a lot of lost info as well!

  15. Now that we have related threads associated with map profiles, or the possibility to do so now, can you also re-associate all the old linked threads with their maps too? This use to be a common feature, and now people looking through the forums would find a lot of orphaned threads that made sense because they used to be linked to maps added on the older version of the site.

  16. Can we have the old Snark icons (or revamped Snark icons) for the "no posts/new posts" icons in the forums? It'll add to the nostalgia :P

  17. The preview panel no longer outfits proper formatting for indention and line breaks and other things before submitting a post.

  18. The private message panel's format is messed-up. Buttons and the textbox are all pushed to the bottom for some reason. =Looks really bad.

  19. Can you make the "latest forum Posts" section listed on the front page an RSS feed? It would add to the accessibility of the site!


-And that's all I have for now folks! Let me know what you guys think about my proposals.


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Posted by G4MER on Sun Dec 21st at 12:31pm 2008

Great stuff RIVEN..

Shouldn't it be snowing snarks right now?



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Posted by tnkqwe on Sun Dec 21st at 1:09pm 2008

Quoting "Muhnay"
Great stuff RIVEN..

Shouldn't it be snowing snarks right now?


You mean "Shouldn't it be SNARKING right now?"
smiley


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Posted by Riven on Thu Dec 25th at 7:46am 2008

WOOT! It's Snarking snow!. err, I mean, It's snowing snarks! -Or do I mean, snows are snarking! -agh, whatever it's doing, I like it! -Snarks FTW!

-Thanks for setting that one up Larchy. smiley


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Posted by tnkqwe on Thu Dec 25th at 10:56am 2008

Quoting "Riven"
WOOT! It's Snarking snow!. err, I mean, It's snowing snarks! -Or do I mean, snows are snarking! -agh, whatever it's doing, I like it! -Snarks FTW!

-Thanks for setting that one up Larchy. smiley

I'ts snarking for you?Than why isn't it snarking for me?Maybe it's because I live in town next to the sea.
WHY isn't it snarking for me??? smiley smiley


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Posted by larchy on Mon Dec 29th at 4:29pm 2008

Quoting Riven

  1. No AIM icon in the user profile page for those who have it. But there is an icon on their posts. What's up with that?

    Fixed

  2. Regarding maps in Beta: Maps should be able to have a related thread (e.g. A thread linked to the map's profile) only if they are in Beta. AND maps that are in beta with a related thread should have their comments on their profile disabled (no comments can be made about a map on its profile page if it is in Beta with a related thread activated). But Beta maps without a related thread can have their comments active. This should be a note to the author before selecting the "In Beta" checkbox for their Map so they know.

    Restrictive? How about getting rid of comments altogether and just having discussion topics? No reason why a forum thread can't be inlined on the map's page where the comments currently are and it would remove the splitting up of feedback in different locations as well as precluding the need for any of the above malarky.

  3. Only after maps have been considered out of Beta (The user updates the map's profile and unchecks the "In Beta" checkbox) then the related thread (if there was one) would become locked and the comments for that map's profile would become activated. Once a user uploads a map without selecting the "In Beta" checkbox, OR if they update the map's profile and switch it to NOT in Beta, then they can never switch the map back to being in Beta because we would not want anyone abusing the locking and unlocking of their map's related thread by constantly changing the status of their map's profile and not have it reflect user's comments. If it was a mistake and they need to switch it back to Beta, then an admin would be able to do it for them.

    Dunno, I mean 'beta' just means not finished. Why restrict an author's right to modify his work? They could just delete & reupload if they really wanted to get around this too... strikes me as restrictive and not workable in practice.

  4. A user should not be able to rate a map unless they've downloaded the map. (a.k.a. clicked the link). Provided there is one. Maps without a download link must be in Beta and cannot be rated yet.

    Will implement. Maps currently cannot be uploaded without some sort of download link, so the latter point is mute.

  5. We should have (EDIT: NEED) a "Meet our newest member ______" line at the top of the front page!

    Fixed

  6. -And also, to stick with tradition, we should have a smaller line mentioning: "This is SnarkPit version 4.##" -Whatever version you reckon we're on?

    No idea. Larchpower v3 or something by now :P Prolly version 7 or something

  7. Highlight or at least bold "1 new message" when you have unread messages so that it helps you notice it.

    Fixed

  8. In the "unread forum posts" section (the page you go to after clicking "no new updates" at the top, if there is a topic listed there, it says "by" but does not list "by who" ? Just a blank.

    No idea, shouldn't be there, will try to replicate.

  9. On the "user browsing page" make a label to show the max number of users ever on the site and the date it occurred (there should already be a fieldset for this in the database because it was on the old site).

    Implemented. There is an old table that stores user sessions, but can't find a max users entry. Added it to the new system anyway.

  10. Bring back the "answer/wrong answer" feature in the editing forums with the ability for admins to monitor or change them. Is it possible to re-identify/re-associate all the old ones too? -And be able to filter out when searching posts if they've been answered "correct" or not? -For posts that have not been set with this feature, simply label them as "unanswered" and admins can go back and apply them as they see fit.

    Will look at after next update

  11. In the category for Half-Life 2 (core game), let there be options for (episode 1) & (episode 2) versions of the game, so people know which version the map is for.

    Content will be reorganised in the new update and the games>mods heirarchy removed. Every game or mod will have it's own individual entry, making the above no longer an issue. This is described in my earlier post together with a preview screenshot.

  12. Show an "online/offline" status (with the online status being green colored) on all user's posts (below all the info and before any icons) and on user profile pages. If you click it when they're online, it would send you to the page they were currently viewing or if that's not possible, clicking on it would send you to the "users browsing" page (note: it's only clickable if they're online)

    Will look at for this update maybe

  13. Is it possible to re-associate all the old comments with the older maps that had them? -That's a lot of lost info.

    Yes, will try to take a look at article comments this time around. Tbh didn't realise there was that much stuff there.

  14. Bring back the comment system for the articles/tutorials -and be sure to bring back all the old comments for older articles too! -That is a lot of lost info as well!

    As above

  15. Now that we have related threads associated with map profiles, or the possibility to do so now, can you also re-associate all the old linked threads with their maps too? This use to be a common feature, and now people looking through the forums would find a lot of orphaned threads that made sense because they used to be linked to maps added on the older version of the site.

    There does not appear to be any actual link between maps and the old thread, however I think it should be possible to reassociate them using the thread titles so I'll see what I can come up with.

  16. Can we have the old Snark icons (or revamped Snark icons) for the "no posts/new posts" icons in the forums? It'll add to the nostalgia :P

    Make some :P

  17. The preview panel no longer outfits proper formatting for indention and line breaks and other things before submitting a post.

    Will check - the way the server handles POST data is just weird and everytime I modify and test a related function it behaves differently on this host :/ will check and fix.

  18. The private message panel's format is messed-up. Buttons and the textbox are all pushed to the bottom for some reason. =Looks really bad.

    CP will be redesigned (see below)

  19. Can you make the "latest forum Posts" section listed on the front page an RSS feed? It would add to the accessibility of the site!


No because globat can't handle the load on the database.

-And that's all I have for now folks! Let me know what you guys think about my proposals.


Quoting "Fjorn"

The second, and this greatly annoys me, is that the site, particularly the title bar up top, seems to be assuming that everyone uses a 1280x1024 resolution and those that don't(IE, me) have to scroll to the side to see the entire site.


Yes, apologies. The original themes were designed so this didn't happen. The current theme was only ever intended to be temporary, but then I lost ftp/site access months ago. Will be fixed soon.


Work continues, progress is made. New themes and stuff.



(1024 width friendly theme, new CP which is still in the works)


Soo, what are we doing with the hosting then? Can we grab that lunarpages deal, maybe upload and test this new update and then make the switch? Or not bothering?



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Posted by reaper47 on Mon Dec 29th at 6:42pm 2008

I just tried to change some profile details and it kicked me off the site, asking for an email re-activation. I didn't change the password (I think) although it said I did?

I couldn't even read forum-posts, which I found a little too restrictive. Can people who aren't registered read forum posts? I hope so.



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Posted by larchy on Mon Dec 29th at 7:22pm 2008

Er, yes.



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Posted by reaper47 on Tue Dec 30th at 11:50pm 2008

Oookay... It says "new password" on the upper left corner of the control panel, and when I don't enter anything it gives me a "no match" error. So I thought, just enter my old password should be OK. But it ran through the whole activation process instead. Also what I changed in my profile did not appear.



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Posted by Riven on Wed Dec 31st at 4:06am 2008

Ok, I'll attempt to respond with the utmost clarity, so there's no confusion here (not that there was before, but I want to keep my posts efficient).

Regarding # 2. Regarding maps in Beta: Maps should be able to have a related thread (e.g. A thread linked to the map's profile) only if they are in Beta. AND maps that are in beta with a related thread should have their comments on their profile disabled (no comments can be made about a map on its profile page if it is in Beta with a related thread activated). But Beta maps without a related thread can have their comments active. This should be a note to the author before selecting the "In Beta" checkbox for their Map so they know.

Quoting larchy's responce
Restrictive? How about getting rid of comments altogether and just having discussion topics? No reason why a forum thread can't be inlined on the map's page where the comments currently are and it would remove the splitting up of feedback in different locations as well as precluding the need for any of the above malarky.


OK, so all maps will have the option to turn on feedback for their map, and if they do, it will open a forum thread right on the map's profile page? -That sounds cool. And if they do choose to have a discussion, then there could be a locked thread posted (like the linked threads posted now) in the Maps forum that simply link to the map's profile (like they already do). So basically, I'm saying, keep the ability to add a forum post in the map's forum, but let it be locked automatically so it only serves the purpose of keeping our maps (with discussions enabled) in the map forum table in-line. So we can still keep track of which maps came first. I know their update date is recorded and you can search for that through the map's section of the site, but if someone is searching for just discussions of maps, they can search through the map's forum and find threads linking to their map's profile pages where the actual discussions are being held...

If a person chooses not to enable feedback, then none of this occurs, and the maps remain without a comment system? I think the regular comment system should be the fallback. That is, if they choose not to enable full forum feedback, then they simply get the quick comments system like we already have now. -Is that just redundant? -Or should ALL maps get a forum thread in their profile? -with a thread linking to it from the map's forum?


Regarding # 3. Only after maps have been considered out of Beta (The user updates the map's profile and unchecks the "In Beta" checkbox) then the related thread (if there was one) would become locked and the comments for that map's profile would become activated. Once a user uploads a map without selecting the "In Beta" checkbox, OR if they update the map's profile and switch it to NOT in Beta, then they can never switch the map back to being in Beta because we would not want anyone abusing the locking and unlocking of their map's related thread by constantly changing the status of their map's profile and not have it reflect user's comments. If it was a mistake and they need to switch it back to Beta, then an admin would be able to do it for them.

Quoting larchy's responce
Dunno, I mean 'beta' just means not finished. Why restrict an author's right to modify his work? They could just delete & reupload if they really wanted to get around this too... strikes me as restrictive and not workable in practice.


You're right. If we get rid of having two separate ways to comment on maps, then we wouldn't have to lock anything. If in this new In-laid Thread system for map profile pages, you could include separate line breaks like this:

(also note the placement of the "user online" and "Map Author" title in that example). The line breaks would let others know when the map was updated during the discussion. If an author updates it multiple times before another comment then the update bar in the thread will take the latest update and once a comment is made after that update, the next update will be posted as another bar after the latest comment.

Regarding # 6. -And also, to stick with tradition, we should have a smaller line mentioning: "This is SnarkPit version 4.##" -Whatever version you reckon we're on?

Quoting larchy's responce
No idea. Larchpower v3 or something by now smiley Prolly version 7 or something


Well, the old pit listed itself as "v4.5" It read: "This is SnarkPit v4.5." (without quotes of course). I would consider the very first implementation of the site you posted as v5.0. Each major update (whatever you constitute as a major update) would add +0.1 to the version count. I haven't been keeping track, but if you've made over 9 big updates since then (which I wouldn't be surprised if you had) Then when you release this version you're working on, I would have something that says: "This is SnarkPit v5.9." written at the top somewhere.

Regarding # 16. Can we have the old Snark icons (or revamped Snark icons) for the "no posts/new posts" icons in the forums? It'll add to the nostalgia smiley

Quoting larchy's responce
Make some smiley


I'll talk with Muhnay about it sometime, unless he catches this post first :P. -I'd like to see some kind of animated icons for new replies and hot topics (threads receiving 50 posts or more).

The rest sounds fine I think

[EDIT]: Almost forgot... I'm cool with the LunarPages plan. It's pretty cheap, and they seem to have a good history. I'm for it, but This is really up to Gwil since he has already payed for another year of hosting with Globat. I don't know if he will be able to get a refund, but it's all on his accord as to when we would make the switch. -Oh and Gwil, If you have a Paypal account go ahead and post it! Some of us are just waiting to make a donation!


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Posted by Gwil on Wed Dec 31st at 11:33am 2008

re: PayPal - I assume you can just send it direct to me via your PayPal control panel, I couldn't locate the donate button code for love nor money (found it in the past though!)

gwilymjohn@gmail.com is my email addy regged with PayPal



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Posted by Gwil on Wed Dec 31st at 11:51am 2008

This might work:

http://www.snarkpit.net/donate.htm



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Posted by G4MER on Wed Dec 31st at 1:44pm 2008

Gwil,

Nice, but I dont pay in pounds I pay in Dollars. Have you considered Yahoos PayPal like thing? ( nevermind that has been closed for sometime now. )

What about: http://www.2checkout.com/community/

Google has a checkout thing for a store.. but I dont think its very user friendly.

Again Paypal is the default.. and you can pay in many different currencies.



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Posted by Gwil on Wed Dec 31st at 2:03pm 2008

Doesn't really matter does it? Just enter the $ you would like into a currency converter then round it down a normal £ figure. £10 will be $20 just as £5 will be $10 whichever way you look at it. Problem with store signups is you usually have to pay a fee to run them. PayPal takes donations and levies a small pence/cent charge.

My PayPal is set up for GBP and, I will be paying for hosting off a UK debit card. To put it into $ then £ then $ etc etc is just rinsing.

Here are the current rates, BTW

10.00 USD

=

6.85412 GBP

My clan receives donations for its 3/4 servers, mostly from the UK but we have loads of people paying 10/20GBP in whatever their equivalent is - dollars, icelandic krone, euro etc. Just makes sense for the end receiver to have it in their native format.





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Posted by Riven on Thu Jan 1st at 8:32am 2009

To ring in the new year, I fixed up our Links page! I deleted all the broken and dead links (for those of you worried, I wrote them all down here.

I even went and made 100x32px sized images for all of em! -Most I had to screen capture their sites and make our own images instead because they didn't have a "link to us" image.

I also added four news ones, which is all I had time for atm. They are: HL2 Mods; PlanetPhillip; Podcast 17; & The Valve Community. I have a lot more I'll be adding later, but if you guys want to chime in, then link me to any half-life or general mapping communities! NOT portfolios or Mods. Although, if it's a community centered around a mod, that's fine too. We're a community, so it only makes sense to link to other communities.

-Check it out! smiley


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Twitter:@Riven202



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Posted by Le Chief on Thu Jan 1st at 10:20am 2009

Quoting Riven
To ring in the new year, I fixed up our Links page!


Haha, I've been waiting for that page to be fixed for ages now! I am at rest now smiley. There are a few links in this thread I think should be on the links page, be sure to look at the last two posts aswell. A few others:

CGTextures
TextureHub
Game Artist



Aaron's Stuff




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