Posted by Le Chief on Fri Dec 14th at 10:51pm 2007
Here is my theory of how our universe was created. God exists in a separate universe where the laws and rules of existence are different, including the law, energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Maybe these black holes or worm holes are portals to this universe. When somebody dies, the soul becomes separate from the physical body and goes into the new universe, hence afterlife. The soul is a different matter (anit-matter or something) and is not effected by gravity.
Closest thing I could come up with. What do you think?
Edit: The problem with all theories is that they all involve infinite. Is infinite or never ending even possible? Who created this new universe and than who created the universe where the first universe was created and so on..
Space going for ever is impossible, space stopping is impossible, but what if space loops somehow? What our universe is some kind of complex mathematical sphere, just like the earth.
Posted by Nightseeker on Fri Dec 14th at 11:21pm 2007
ok but there no way of findin out "YET"
Posted by Crono on Fri Dec 14th at 11:47pm 2007
If there is some sort of higher intelligence that designed all this ... don't you think it'd be more conceivable that we don't have anything close to an understanding of its existence?
In general, you're thinking too small. The things we don't know vastly outweigh the things we do know (and most of that is flimsy).
I'm just not going to respond to the rest ... go look up terms before you use them from now on. You sound like an episode of Star Trek.
What I think:
It makes a little bit of sense that existence has some sort of intelligent design. Things work together too well. If you look at things at a very low level, this becomes apparent. Of course, the alternative, is that it isn't intelligent design and every other possible combination happened before the current one. Of course, there's no way to figure out if these things occurred.
All information we have that we base our theories on come from things we observe and what we observe could be causing or be caused by.
For instance, as far as we can tell, the universe is always expanding. We surmised this by looking at the color of far away objects, figuring out their composition (there's cool way to do that) and then seeing how it is color shifted. Because of how light travels, we can figure all these other neat things out like the velocity of an object (or the velocity it had however many million years ago!) This is the reason we think the big bang happened, if everything is continually moving away from us (everything looks like it is, by the way) it could be surmised that we are near (in galactic terms) some sort of center that started the universe ... the details of that have been derived from that.
My point is, none of this stuff was just plucked out of thin air and told as a "theory". Theories have evidence. Otherwise, it's an idea.
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Posted by RedWood on Sat Dec 15th at 1:37am 2007
The universe is expanding but it's interesting, our galaxy is dew to collide with the next one closest to us. I forget when but our 2 galaxies are closing in on each other vary quickly.
My theory? Well, some current hypothesis state the universe is going to expand until it destroys it self. I don't agree but i can't argue against them. I really don't' know crap.
My simplistic view of the universe is that our current version of the universe started at a singularity and will expand until it contracts. Only in my head instead of crushing into a singularity is passed through a singularity into a different plane of existence. The universe on the other plane of existence will expand and contract and pass through the singularity again. Maybe expanding back into our plan or maybe some other plane.
Posted by French Toast on Sat Dec 15th at 1:52am 2007
It makes a little bit of sense that existence has some sort of intelligent design. Things work together too well. If you look at things at a very low level, this becomes apparent.
I've always figured that if it didn't work like that, then a) we wouldn't be able to percieve/make sense of it, and b) life just wouldn't exist. If everything doesn't fall perfectly, then bam, no life. So the fact that we are where we are is testament to more of a natural selection thang finding perfection through trial and error.
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Posted by RedWood on Sat Dec 15th at 2:04am 2007
Posted by fishy on Sat Dec 15th at 4:48am 2007
suppose;
an advanced race of beings (let's call them elo's) arrive on earth looking for raw materials. mainly gold, to use as radiation shielding on their spaceships. instead of doing the digging themselves, they look for an animal that can to do the job for them. maybe something like an ape would be an ideal candidate, an animal that had already evolved an opposing digit, and could fetch and carry with some dexterity. now, i'd imagine that even the most advanced ape, as we know them, would still have some trouble being a miner or whatever, so there would need to be a little genetic engineering involved to get the workers just right. make them a bit smarter so as to be easier organised. after many failed experiments, the elo's finally find a way to create the workers (let's call them the uz) that they need by augmenting ape dna with 'smart' code from their own.
as well as educating the uz in basic hexidecimal mathematics, written language, justice (the elo's being a very just race, of course. well..., at least in their own eyes), farming, animal husbandry etc, they also told them about where everyone came from. the elo's explained that their home planet ( X ) is part of this solar system, trapped like many of our comets in a huge retrograde orbit, 30 degrees off the eliptical. they also explained how they had created the uz, but the uz , even though smarter than the average bear, had difficulty in comprehending the technical details. (this would lead to much confusion later)
anyway, planet X had rounded the sun already, and was about to begin it's 7000 year voyage through the darkness again, so the elo's got their s**t together and headed home. the economy that they had created for the uz, based on gold, would ensure that there was plenty of it stockpiled for their return.
that was almost 7000 years ago.
Posted by French Toast on Sat Dec 15th at 5:04am 2007
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Posted by Naklajat on Sat Dec 15th at 6:35am 2007
The universe is the way it is because this is the only way the universe could possibly be, and since we can't even begin to comprehend all of that, we make s**t up. We can't know anything with absolute certainty, and everything we ever think we know is based on a very narrow perspective of one individual's experience, and then we die.
Humans have a nifty little ability to record ideas and pass them on to the next generation. Some devote their lives to finding out as much as they can about something and recording it, so the people who come after them won't have to devote their entire lives to finding out the same things, they can piggyback off of those ideas and devote their lives to finding out something new. It seems to be an innate drive in a small minority of the population, while a majority of population seems to have an innate drive to disregard, diminish, and even destroy the learnings and legacies of that small minority... especially if what those people recorded is in any way in disagreement with whatever made up thing that majority happens to believe at the time.
I personally don't believe there is a God or any kind of 'higher power' or eternal essence or soul or life after death, in any literal meaning, they're just made up ideas. But all of those things certainly do exist in a cultural sense, and they're some of the most powerful ideas in the human condition, even to the minority who don't believe in them (a different, larger but often overlapping, minority than that other one), because they shape our cultural, social, and ideological surroundings and therefore our entire life's worth of experience, and then we die.
One hell of a ride though
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Posted by Le Chief on Sat Dec 15th at 12:05pm 2007
The big bang is impossible because everything has a cause and effect. Hypothetical, me smashing a window (hypothetical
However, something being the "first cause" or the starter is also impossible, because of this rule, everything has a cause and effect. Thats why there must be a 3rd solution, something that we may never figure out.
However on Crono's point, its amazing how everything works out. We are given a perfect planet, we have eyes, food, hands, everything is balanced, even out side our plannet, we have a sun, new stars are born..... So maybe there is a super intelligent race weather you want to call tham aliens, or god.
Edit: lol at redwoods picture.
Posted by reaper47 on Sat Dec 15th at 3:09pm 2007
You always have the problem of what came first. It's unlikely that something obviously more complex than us (a god-like being) came before our humble selves. If the "intelligent designers" were created by other intelligent designers those had to be created by yet other intelligent designers and so on.
At one point they either had to evolve out of a simpler existence (evolution, huuuu) or they had to have been perfect forever. In which case our chaotic existence is about a billion times more likely, than a perfect, intelligent designer to have always existed. And both are, if you look at the ever-changing universe for one second, unlikely choices.
I don't have a problem with infinity. People always want to compare time with the pointers of a clock. Like there is a 0-hour where it has to start and another point where it ends, just because we're used to measure it that way.
I don't think that time works that way. Basically, every particle in the universe is moving into some direction with a certain force. And that always stays constant. Energy can be transmitted, particles can collide, but nothing disappears, appears out of nowhere (just because quanta look weird to us doesn't mean they don't follow the same rules on a smaller level we can't possibly grasp). So it's unlikely for this movement to ever stop. Which also makes it unlikely for it to have ever not existed. And there you have infinity as an insanely complex but possible mathematical equation. So complex in fact, that, at some point, it is likely for a race like ours to spawn.
If you think of time as a form of movement, it not only makes time travel impossible
Posted by Gwil on Sat Dec 15th at 4:08pm 2007
I certainly don't believe in God, I am an avowed atheist.
Now I will go and sit in the corner and break up someones lego creation as an outlet for my spite. So nyaaah
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Posted by French Toast on Sat Dec 15th at 5:30pm 2007
I of course know what you're getting at, but over here in self-centered north america this is a big deal.
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Posted by Naklajat on Sat Dec 15th at 6:13pm 2007
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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sat Dec 15th at 7:20pm 2007
I of course know what you're getting at, but over here in self-centered north america this is a big deal
hahaha this is funny
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Posted by Gwil on Sat Dec 15th at 7:47pm 2007
My feelings lean this way as on another forum (british) I frequent, we had like 10-20 page discussion about ID/Science and everyone was getting het up and overexcited - yet no-one ever voices an opinion about how the country is run or rather, focus the same energy they would on a religion debate as they do for social policy.
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Posted by fishy on Sat Dec 15th at 8:16pm 2007
A full, final and undeniable explaination of creation would help to solve most of mankinds problems.
Posted by RedWood on Sat Dec 15th at 8:43pm 2007
Some of the earlier gods (Greeks/Romans) were created and used as scape goats. "OO why did our crops dye." "We didn't pry to the god of rain enough". It gave them a wanted answer and the appearance of some kind of control. By praying or making a sacrifice, whether it be a pot or a eight year old girl, it gave a false sense of control witch is nice to have.
A lot of the more modern western religions are used as a form of government. They seek to control every aspect of their followers lives. And they will kill you if you argue with them.
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