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Posted by reaper47 on Tue Apr 22nd at 1:40pm 2008

Great. When renewing my passport from 2009 on, I have to provide 2 fingerprints. Like a criminal.

The sad thing: Some study showed that 73% of all Austrians "agree with the plan to use biometric criteria to increase security with identification". I'm sure they didn't even know what "biometric criteria" means.

Thanks, EU. And thanks for the mandatory spying of IP addresses for all internet providers. No wonder so many people are sceptical towards the European Union.


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Posted by Gwil on Tue Apr 22nd at 1:56pm 2008

I wouldn't worry too much. As far as I understand it we're having finger printing, bio metric/iris scanning implemented as well as all new passports requiring a face to face interview with the officials themselves.

I also note your passport is a mere 69 euros, the UK one checks in at around ?80! If you want to see excessive curtailment of civil liberties, come to the UK. Personally, it doesn't bother me.

Unless they're keeping records on your political and intellectual preferences i'd say the implications for "police state" style controls are overstated by liberalist scare mongers. I even sometimes consider supporting the mandatory DNA profiling of all people at birth which has been mooted.



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Posted by reaper47 on Tue Apr 22nd at 4:57pm 2008

The point is: A problem with an ID number or document can be fixed. A problem with your biometrical data can't. You can't change your fingerprint. You can't change your DNA. You're stuck with it and everything anybody ever decides to do with it for the rest of your life.

Of course, most of us won't ever be affected by this. But if this isn't a step towards a police state, I don't know what is.


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Posted by wil5on on Wed Apr 23rd at 1:12pm 2008

What kind of problem could you possibly have with a fingerprint? In fact, what could be wrong with an ID number? Unless youre an actual criminal theres no problem as far as I see.



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Posted by fishy on Wed Apr 23rd at 1:35pm 2008

?He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.? Revelation 13:16-17

That's where it's heading.




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Posted by reaper47 on Wed Apr 23rd at 4:25pm 2008

The more personal data is wired together, the more our life becomes a glasshouse, the more power the government (and whoever controls it) has over its people. It's one step. Far in the wrong direction IMO.

The argument is that, with fingerprints in addition to photographs, there will be less risks of fake IDs. They even want to store all fingerprints in a central EU database.

But even that system is not 100% secure. So, with exactly the same arguments, they could add DNA samples, GPS tracking or any other personal data to ID cards and passports. And that isn't even science fiction. We have a new law that allows the police to locate anyone by mobile phone signals, without a warrant.

I don't really see how some of you can be so indifferent towards measures like this. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">


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Posted by Snarkmaster on Wed Apr 23rd at 5:42pm 2008

When they start implanting devices in people's brains and injecting nanites into people's bodies, then it will be the time to be truly worried.


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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Apr 24th at 10:16am 2008

Deus Ex ftw! <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">


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Posted by Naklajat on Thu Apr 24th at 3:50pm 2008

I want nanites, the kind that repair muscle and bone and make you superhuman, that is...


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Posted by Snarkmaster on Thu Apr 24th at 6:10pm 2008

Even if someone can program them to "shut you down" if they don't like you or what you've been doing?


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Posted by Dark Tree on Sun May 4th at 9:43am 2008

? quoting reaper47
When renewing my passport from 2009 on, I have to provide 2 fingerprints. Like a criminal.


Huh? Like a criminal? If you get arrested, then you SHOULD feel like a criminal. Otherwise, who the hell cares.


? quoting fishy
Revelation 13:16-17


Since when is GIVING your fingerrpint RECEIVING a mark... :-/


? quoting reaper27
You can't change your fingerprint

Gattaca, Men in Black, anyone? Anyone?


? quoting Gwil
your passport is a mere 69 euros, the UK one checks in at around ?80

US passports cost about $100 USD (~65 Euros) and take 6 to 8 weeks unless you pay another 60 USD (~40 Euros) to have it expedited in about 5 business days.


Anyway, government use of fingerprinting has been around since the 14th century. Asking for your fingerprint lies somewhere between requiring a signature and having a photograph of you no older than 10 years in the way of stepping towards POLICE STATE. This isn't "1984", people.




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Posted by Le Chief on Mon May 5th at 4:41am 2008

Wow, that was three days of inactivity on the General Banter forum before Dark Tree finally made a post. I hate to change the topic but is anybody else a little concerned? This is a warning, I will make another desktop pictures thread :P


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Posted by Thylacine on Mon May 5th at 10:06am 2008

Its not about current governments.

The problem is what if one day in the distant future your country becomes authoritarian, it seems unlikely but it can happen, and that government will have a detailed record of all citizens biometric data for its unscroupulous use, courtesy of the kind, previous democratic government.

I think this stuff, and the ubiquitous CCTV cameras is largely accepted by the British because they've never had to endure anything like the Stasi, but I am shocked the Austrians wear it so readily.




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Posted by wil5on on Mon May 5th at 12:00pm 2008

Yes, few in fact know that putting fingerprints on passports is how Hitler came into power, how the Soviets kept control of their population, and even now every North Korean passport contains a set of prints.


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Posted by Gwil on Mon May 5th at 12:15pm 2008

Being a History undergrad focused on modern History and then beginning an MA into French Decolonisation next year, I'm more than aware of the precedent extra security can set for a government that can abuse it. However, i'm still perfectly satisfied that an Orwellian state is far from possible, especially in Britain.



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Posted by fishy on Mon May 5th at 7:59pm 2008

? quoting Gwil
an Orwellian state is far from possible, especially in Britain.

don't give up yet Gwil, we still have faith in you.




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Posted by Naklajat on Mon May 5th at 10:50pm 2008

The world in 1984 was only the way it was because the oppressive government could read minds and made thoughts of dissent pretty much a capitol offense.


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Posted by Cash Car Star on Thu May 8th at 7:34pm 2008

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? quoting reaper27You can't change your fingerprint[size="2"]
Gattaca, Men in Black, anyone? Anyone?
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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Wed May 14th at 10:31am 2008

I can't believe how readily some of you bend over and take large objects inside your asses without a complaint... Why on earth should a government have so goddamn much information about single individuals? Can you give me a single reason that isn't connected with so called "security" or "safety"? Do you really want to live inside a box that's constantly monitored by people who you really don't even know?
My country used to be relatively free until we joined European Union, since then there's been a s**tload of new laws and regulations that affect everything from the production of food stuffs to modifying automobiles and not in a good way for that matter... Complicating matters does not equal making things better. I understand that there's a lot of pressure for politicians to appear as if they're actually doing something, but I hope that at one point their realize that there's a number of things they can do that actually have some beneficial results...

And as for saying that things are done to prevent terrorism... There are only a couple of countries really affected by terrorism and if you ask me they brought it upon themselves. If you go and kick a hornets nest you're bound to get stung at some point. Then a lot of countries that aren't really connected to the whole terrorism sillyness have to bend over because a couple of big countries happen to have been kicking those hornets nests(Spain, UK and the rest who went to Iraq for the kicks).

I don't see how increasing control and monitoring can benefit anyone else except that elitist group of people within the governments of nations...



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Posted by reaper47 on Wed May 14th at 10:51am 2008

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Gattaca, Men in Black, anyone? Anyone?


Fictional sci-fi movies about over-powered, oppressive organizations, anyone?


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