Func_detail, my friend. In my H.L.-1 days I always made detail props from brushes. Back in the days of prefabs... I downloaded some amazing prefabs which people had made. A passenger jet comes to mind, which an interior and everything. Astonishing work. It was the right scale as well.
Re: MODEL ABUSE
Posted by fishy on Thu Dec 25th at 3:30pm 2008
Like it or not, models are a part of 3D level design now, and will probably become more so in the future.
Stand still if you like, but don't be surprised when you find that your skillset is out of date.
Posted by fishy on Thu Dec 25th at 3:30pm 2008
Quoting Flynn
I am damned if I get into modelling though, since I am a mapper, not a modeller.
Like it or not, models are a part of 3D level design now, and will probably become more so in the future.
Stand still if you like, but don't be surprised when you find that your skillset is out of date.
Re: MODEL ABUSE
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Dec 26th at 1:40am 2008
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Dec 26th at 1:40am 2008
If you take a look at the Unreal 3 engine and games such as Gears Of War, they use models for alot more things that in Source you would probably use brush geometry for, to be honest, I think the Source engine is a little bit behind mainly because it depends on brush geometry alot for so many things, that and the loading screens 
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Anyway, modeling isn't a very difficult skill to pick up, I spent two days in 3DS Max and came out with a metal shelf model and all the basic skills to get a model into the source engine. Two days well spent imo.
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Anyway, modeling isn't a very difficult skill to pick up, I spent two days in 3DS Max and came out with a metal shelf model and all the basic skills to get a model into the source engine. Two days well spent imo.
Re: MODEL ABUSE
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Dec 28th at 3:26am 2008
Right. Unless the walls and ceiling/floor and even some of the interior things like pillars and platforms and whatnot of your level are all models than your level is contained inside brush geometry and if the brush geometry doesn't look good, you've pretty much got rooms filled with props and not an attractive level
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Dec 28th at 3:26am 2008
Quoting Flynn
But you said it is better to focus on brush work. So you know brush work is inefficient but it looks better or what? 
Right. Unless the walls and ceiling/floor and even some of the interior things like pillars and platforms and whatnot of your level are all models than your level is contained inside brush geometry and if the brush geometry doesn't look good, you've pretty much got rooms filled with props and not an attractive level
Re: MODEL ABUSE
Posted by Flynn on Sun Dec 28th at 12:46pm 2008
You are a funny dude aaron. I think that would bring out some of the technical limitations of the .bsp game engine 
Posted by Flynn on Sun Dec 28th at 12:46pm 2008
You are a funny dude aaron. I think that would bring out some of the technical limitations of the .bsp game engine Just Kidding
Just Kidding
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Re: MODEL ABUSE
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Dec 29th at 12:29am 2008
:dodgy:
Well, I don't know if having too many models onscreen at once is such a good idea. With my dm_backwash map the performance is pretty disgusting and I attribute that too a few things I didn't know when I first started with the Source engine but mainly because there is an excessive amount on props both physics and static on screen at pretty much any view point.
Anyway, I know the Unreal 3 engine rely relies on models for most things and it may sound like there are 1000s of models but there really aren't, they really defined the level design so they could use a narrow set of models on the level many times on the level, kind of like the "prison" or "controlroom" or "combine" set of models in Half-Life 2.
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Dec 29th at 12:29am 2008
Quoting Flynn
smiley You are a funny dude aaron.
:dodgy:
Quoting Flynn
I think that would bring out some of the technical limitations of the .bsp game engine smiley
Well, I don't know if having too many models onscreen at once is such a good idea. With my dm_backwash map the performance is pretty disgusting and I attribute that too a few things I didn't know when I first started with the Source engine but mainly because there is an excessive amount on props both physics and static on screen at pretty much any view point.
Anyway, I know the Unreal 3 engine rely relies on models for most things and it may sound like there are 1000s of models but there really aren't, they really defined the level design so they could use a narrow set of models on the level many times on the level, kind of like the "prison" or "controlroom" or "combine" set of models in Half-Life 2.
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