Just a quick poll to see if an open ended, mini mapping competition was held again on the Snarkpit (just to make something small) would anybody be interested in joining?
If you have any cool ideas for a new competition or would like to make any other comments regarding a possible mapping competition in the near future or your thoughts about one, please post them here.
Note: The competition will most likely be for the Source engine or Source AND GoldSource engines.
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Re: Quick Question
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Riven on Mon Feb 9th at 3:19pm 2009
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Posted by Riven on Mon Feb 9th at 3:19pm 2009
Well, I know I've already talked with you about this Aaron, but I want to let others who might be interested in it know as well.
If or when we can get organized to host another competition (And when the compilation map can get finish [it's still being worked on.... slowly...]) we'll probably do it after the switch.
Larchy is currently beta testing a newer version of the site with many new features and bug fixes and not to mention faster speeds! -That's right, we've successfully moved a 'copy' of the site over to our new host. But this copy is just for beta testing purposes as of right now. I imagine, once we move everything over and make the final switch we can begin to re-establish our members. I'm pretty sure a lot of people get fed up with the slow globat server connection speed, and I think once that gets resolved, we'll have a lot more interested members (with spare time!). So, for now, I think the competition should wait.
If or when we can get organized to host another competition (And when the compilation map can get finish [it's still being worked on.... slowly...]) we'll probably do it after the switch.
Larchy is currently beta testing a newer version of the site with many new features and bug fixes and not to mention faster speeds! -That's right, we've successfully moved a 'copy' of the site over to our new host. But this copy is just for beta testing purposes as of right now. I imagine, once we move everything over and make the final switch we can begin to re-establish our members. I'm pretty sure a lot of people get fed up with the slow globat server connection speed, and I think once that gets resolved, we'll have a lot more interested members (with spare time!). So, for now, I think the competition should wait.
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Juim on Tue Feb 10th at 3:55am 2009
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Posted by Juim on Tue Feb 10th at 3:55am 2009
You know, I've given this alot of thought whiles staring at hammer screens for hours on end. I have a couple of ideas for a more unique competition. For instance:
Editor art. Make a map that is so interesting looking in one of the editor views(top, or sides) that it could be art. The one rule is, it has to compile,(but would not necessarily have to be playable in a performance standard). You could make anything, a heart shaped map, a crest of arms, anything, the skies the limit. Using entities such as func_details and what not could add different colors to the pic. Then take a screen shot and post it with the compiled map.
Another idea:
Postcards. Find a postcard, no matter how involved or detailed the picture is, and try to re-create it in Hammer. Once again, performance would not have to be an issue, as I think theres some amazing amount of detail that could be squeezed into a map if performance issues were cast aside. The same rule would apply though. It has to compile. Send a pic of the postcard, a screenie of the map and the bsp.
Just a couple of thoughts. Trying to make it new and interesting.
Editor art. Make a map that is so interesting looking in one of the editor views(top, or sides) that it could be art. The one rule is, it has to compile,(but would not necessarily have to be playable in a performance standard). You could make anything, a heart shaped map, a crest of arms, anything, the skies the limit. Using entities such as func_details and what not could add different colors to the pic. Then take a screen shot and post it with the compiled map.
Another idea:
Postcards. Find a postcard, no matter how involved or detailed the picture is, and try to re-create it in Hammer. Once again, performance would not have to be an issue, as I think theres some amazing amount of detail that could be squeezed into a map if performance issues were cast aside. The same rule would apply though. It has to compile. Send a pic of the postcard, a screenie of the map and the bsp.
Just a couple of thoughts. Trying to make it new and interesting.
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Le Chief on Tue Feb 10th at 11:55am 2009
Yeah, while the speed of this website and the minor bugs is certainly not helping activity on this website, I don't think its the main factor here. I think the problem is the quite simply the lack of active members and lack of forum activity and discussion/release of new maps.
In fact, I think it would be quite safe to say that most of the activity on this place comes from new members or inactive members asking questions in the editing boards. And most of the maps that are released on this site as of late are from new members that are just spreading their mostly "stereotypical FPSBanana" work around, they don't even participate in the discussion of their maps or reply to their pm's. Discussion in the General Banter board and map discussion boards are at the lowest I have ever seen them! I really believe that general banter and map discussion activity as well as the release of good quality maps which frankly I haven't seen in quite a while are asbosoutly essential for a sustainable community. And I am not hesitant to say this at all as I know that these "new/inactive" members who are releasing their work (and asking editing questions) will never read this, apart from maybe Flynn who recently released his Corridors map which I would not place in the bad quality maps basket.
I just thought that a mapping competition would temporarily liven things up a little bit. I know I am still very much so an active designer in the Source engine but admittedly I don't show much of my work here because I don't really get much feedback. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm having ago at anybody, but I'm really not, I'm just expressing my concern about this community. I understand people "visit" and people are busy and such, but its a very unsettling thought to think that most of the activity here is sparked in the editing boards by people who are uninterested in being a part of the community and just want their mapping problems solved.
Anyway, it seems that we have some votes for people who are going to join if they have enough spare time so that's a good sign, seems there is potential for a competition
. Anyway, my idea for the competition was to produce a map with a vista. There are pretty much no restrictions except that the judging on the winner would be done on how cool/detailed/creative etc etc the vista was and that designers should build their maps to highlight the vista only. Here are some ideas for possible vista maps to get those creative juices flowing:
* A barren desert landscape
* A vast combine interior space
* A futuristic city vista
* A combine-exhausted planet landscape
* A view from a space station
* A jungle vista featuring the weaving river
Anyways, that was my idea for this possible competition. Riven suggested that we take screenshots of our maps instead and we judge off them. My heart did drop a little bit as I always look forward to and get excited by adding a wide array of ambient sounds to add atmosphere and stuff but the screenshot idea certainly has many advantages and if you guys are happy to do that, I absolutely am too!
Juim: Hmm, well to be honest, not that its a bad idea, but I don't think many people would be interested in your first idea. As for your second idea, I can see that working.
But anyway, what do you guys think of the vista(screenshots?) idea and Juims two ideas? If you have any other suggestions or want express your feelings about a possible mapping comp or anything else related, please do so! And don't forget to vote in the poll even if your not interested in participating in the competition!
Posted by Le Chief on Tue Feb 10th at 11:55am 2009
Quoting "Riven"
I imagine, once we move everything over and make the final switch we can begin to re-establish our members.
Yeah, while the speed of this website and the minor bugs is certainly not helping activity on this website, I don't think its the main factor here. I think the problem is the quite simply the lack of active members and lack of forum activity and discussion/release of new maps.
In fact, I think it would be quite safe to say that most of the activity on this place comes from new members or inactive members asking questions in the editing boards. And most of the maps that are released on this site as of late are from new members that are just spreading their mostly "stereotypical FPSBanana" work around, they don't even participate in the discussion of their maps or reply to their pm's. Discussion in the General Banter board and map discussion boards are at the lowest I have ever seen them! I really believe that general banter and map discussion activity as well as the release of good quality maps which frankly I haven't seen in quite a while are asbosoutly essential for a sustainable community. And I am not hesitant to say this at all as I know that these "new/inactive" members who are releasing their work (and asking editing questions) will never read this, apart from maybe Flynn who recently released his Corridors map which I would not place in the bad quality maps basket.
I just thought that a mapping competition would temporarily liven things up a little bit. I know I am still very much so an active designer in the Source engine but admittedly I don't show much of my work here because I don't really get much feedback. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm having ago at anybody, but I'm really not, I'm just expressing my concern about this community. I understand people "visit" and people are busy and such, but its a very unsettling thought to think that most of the activity here is sparked in the editing boards by people who are uninterested in being a part of the community and just want their mapping problems solved.
Anyway, it seems that we have some votes for people who are going to join if they have enough spare time so that's a good sign, seems there is potential for a competition
. Anyway, my idea for the competition was to produce a map with a vista. There are pretty much no restrictions except that the judging on the winner would be done on how cool/detailed/creative etc etc the vista was and that designers should build their maps to highlight the vista only. Here are some ideas for possible vista maps to get those creative juices flowing:
* A barren desert landscape
* A vast combine interior space
* A futuristic city vista
* A combine-exhausted planet landscape
* A view from a space station
* A jungle vista featuring the weaving river
Anyways, that was my idea for this possible competition. Riven suggested that we take screenshots of our maps instead and we judge off them. My heart did drop a little bit as I always look forward to and get excited by adding a wide array of ambient sounds to add atmosphere and stuff but the screenshot idea certainly has many advantages and if you guys are happy to do that, I absolutely am too!
Juim: Hmm, well to be honest, not that its a bad idea, but I don't think many people would be interested in your first idea. As for your second idea, I can see that working.
But anyway, what do you guys think of the vista(screenshots?) idea and Juims two ideas? If you have any other suggestions or want express your feelings about a possible mapping comp or anything else related, please do so! And don't forget to vote in the poll even if your not interested in participating in the competition!
Re: Quick Question
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Posted by Gwil on Tue Feb 10th at 1:53pm 2009
re: Switching over to the new site - just waiting on Lep for domain transfer, bit difficult to make communications as he like me (moreso, I imagine) is deep into postgrad work.
I'll hit him up on the weekend when I shall be free from historical/socialogical comparisons of gender study.
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by haymaker on Tue Feb 10th at 3:10pm 2009
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hehe Aaron i think you sound a wee bit paranoid there. Myself I am actually working on a map, I would like to post progress shots, but the contest it's for restricts that. I may still withdraw it from that endeavor as i appreciate the "omnipotence" of the pit members input. But nonetheless I find that,a) because I am so damn slow at the whole process and it burns so many hours and b) I'm getting sick of the game it's for I feel like putting the whole thing down for awhile.
So for me I think a competition would be a refreshing change, but my vote goes in the "time" category, say 6-8 weeks from now or something.
So for me I think a competition would be a refreshing change, but my vote goes in the "time" category, say 6-8 weeks from now or something.
Re: Quick Question
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Posted by FatStrings on Sat Feb 14th at 8:55pm 2009
yes, if you wait for the school year to end
then I can come play and see if I still know my way around the hammer
then I can come play and see if I still know my way around the hammer
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Riven on Mon May 25th at 6:48pm 2009
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Posted by Riven on Mon May 25th at 6:48pm 2009
*bump*
-eek, it looks like the poll is slightly broken!
-An another note, is there anyone interested in starting a competition soon? Yes, the compilation map is still in development, but I'm not going to let that stop me from sponsoring one! -Anyone want to offer some more ideas as to what they may be wanting for the Summer? -Or second any of the ideas posted already?
(I like aaron's Vistas idea )
-eek, it looks like the poll is slightly broken!
-An another note, is there anyone interested in starting a competition soon? Yes, the compilation map is still in development, but I'm not going to let that stop me from sponsoring one! -Anyone want to offer some more ideas as to what they may be wanting for the Summer? -Or second any of the ideas posted already?
(I like aaron's Vistas idea
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by RedWood on Mon May 25th at 10:12pm 2009
That was my idea!!
A comp should coincide with the grand reopening of the pit.
Posted by RedWood on Mon May 25th at 10:12pm 2009
Quoting Riven
*bump*
-eek, it looks like the poll is slightly broken!
-An another note, is there anyone interested in starting a competition soon? Yes, the compilation map is still in development, but I'm not going to let that stop me from sponsoring one! -Anyone want to offer some more ideas as to what they may be wanting for the Summer? -Or second any of the ideas posted already?
(I like aaron's Vistas idea )
-eek, it looks like the poll is slightly broken!
-An another note, is there anyone interested in starting a competition soon? Yes, the compilation map is still in development, but I'm not going to let that stop me from sponsoring one! -Anyone want to offer some more ideas as to what they may be wanting for the Summer? -Or second any of the ideas posted already?
(I like aaron's Vistas idea
)That was my idea!!
A comp should coincide with the grand reopening of the pit.
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Quick Question
Posted by Le Chief on Mon May 25th at 11:50pm 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Mon May 25th at 11:50pm 2009
I'd love to have another mapping competition, that would be so awesome, but at the moment I'm crunching hard on my platform game multimedia assignment for school which is due in roughly 1.5 months, that is taking up all my free otherwise level design time.
If we go ahead with the "make a vista idea" than I already have a solid idea but I really hope we allow custom content because I can think of a few props or at least textures I'm going to have to make.
And the poll has indeed broken, maybe the poll expired and there is some bug that makes it display incorrectly after the expiry date. Why do we have to have a time limitation on a poll though, what if we don't want a time limitation?
Huh?
If we go ahead with the "make a vista idea" than I already have a solid idea but I really hope we allow custom content because I can think of a few props or at least textures I'm going to have to make.
And the poll has indeed broken, maybe the poll expired and there is some bug that makes it display incorrectly after the expiry date. Why do we have to have a time limitation on a poll though, what if we don't want a time limitation?
Quoting "RedWood"
That was my idea!!
Huh?
Re: Quick Question
Posted by Riven on Tue May 26th at 1:47am 2009
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Posted by Riven on Tue May 26th at 1:47am 2009
Only two polls have I found that were actually broken. I think it had to do with the switch.
Well, sorry for crediting the wrong person RedWood
I was simply looking through the posts of this particular thread.
Well, sorry for crediting the wrong person RedWood
I was simply looking through the posts of this particular thread. Quoting RedWood
A comp should coincide with the grand reopening of the pit.
I totally agree. Did we want to make this a full-blown competition, or maybe a mini-competition of sorts, like we did a couple of times before? -Perhaps something technical. Or, purely aesthetic? Riven
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by RedWood on Tue May 26th at 8:41pm 2009
Well, sorry for crediting the wrong person RedWood I was simply looking through the posts of this particular thread.
It's cool,i was only kidding.
I'd like to see a full comp. Most people should have the time seeing how school is out for most people. But i would like to see a modest size limit.
Posted by RedWood on Tue May 26th at 8:41pm 2009
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Well, sorry for crediting the wrong person RedWood
I was simply looking through the posts of this particular thread. It's cool,i was only kidding.
I'd like to see a full comp. Most people should have the time seeing how school is out for most people. But i would like to see a modest size limit.
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: Quick Question
Posted by Riven on Tue May 26th at 9:18pm 2009
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Posted by Riven on Tue May 26th at 9:18pm 2009
So then I take it 3 of us are up for a full blown playable map that showcases a vista of some sort? -or do we just want a map that someone can walk around in (doesn't have to be a single player story or anything, just a vista with a setting) -And it doesn't have to be a working multiplayer map either.
-Aaron, do you just want a vista scape? -meaning, within the realm of that idea, it doesn't have to be part of a sp story, or mp map, just something to look at?
-If that's the case, I'm interested.
@RedWood, by definition A vista is: "A distant view or prospect" -so by size limitations, we're talking about the max here. -Right? I mean, this would be a pretty big competition at least on time and scale-wise?
-Aaron, do you just want a vista scape? -meaning, within the realm of that idea, it doesn't have to be part of a sp story, or mp map, just something to look at?
-If that's the case, I'm interested.
@RedWood, by definition A vista is: "A distant view or prospect" -so by size limitations, we're talking about the max here. -Right? I mean, this would be a pretty big competition at least on time and scale-wise?
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Le Chief on Wed May 27th at 1:40am 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Wed May 27th at 1:40am 2009
Well, I imagined it to be some sort of level (singleplayer or multiplayer, it doesn't matter) that is centred around a vista of any sort, no restrictions there.
You can make the level as large as you want but it would be wise just to make something small and focus on the vista, it's pretty open ended I guess. That's it really, nothing else matters. Toss in a story if you like, at least like a bit of context is always good. But just ideally a vista as the main feature and a bit of space around it to compliment the vista, people should focus on ambiance, mood, detail, aesthetics and whatnot.
And my definition of a vista is a space of any sort, usually large and open that players can't walk amongst, but can see and may interest players and distract them during gameplay. For example, at the start of Half-Life 2 Episode 2, that large open space where you can see the destroyed Citadel, that's a vista, and the scene where you can see the bridge with combine walking along it in the distance a bit further in the game, that's also a vista.
@ haymaker: Ahh hehehe, you got me.
You can make the level as large as you want but it would be wise just to make something small and focus on the vista, it's pretty open ended I guess. That's it really, nothing else matters. Toss in a story if you like, at least like a bit of context is always good. But just ideally a vista as the main feature and a bit of space around it to compliment the vista, people should focus on ambiance, mood, detail, aesthetics and whatnot.
And my definition of a vista is a space of any sort, usually large and open that players can't walk amongst, but can see and may interest players and distract them during gameplay. For example, at the start of Half-Life 2 Episode 2, that large open space where you can see the destroyed Citadel, that's a vista, and the scene where you can see the bridge with combine walking along it in the distance a bit further in the game, that's also a vista.
@ haymaker: Ahh hehehe, you got me.
Re: Quick Question
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Posted by Riven on Wed May 27th at 4:14pm 2009
Ok, then I understand ya. Basically, a small walkable area, and then a huge vista to look at. It doesn't matter how you spawn-in or that the space should *end*, The player quits the map when they feel like it. There's no objective or obstacle in the way. The only goal is to be able to look out at a vista. -gotcha.
Any other suggestions? When do we want to look at doing this?
Any other suggestions? When do we want to look at doing this?
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Dancefloorasaurus on Fri Jun 5th at 2:48am 2009
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I'd be down for something small, not too time intensive.
I like the idea of creating something from a postcard or a picture.
The vista idea doesn't get me too jazzed up, but I'd be down.
I like the idea of creating something from a postcard or a picture.
The vista idea doesn't get me too jazzed up, but I'd be down.
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Ah, so you're thinking about re-creating something from a real picture, or say a postcard image? (which could be an artist's painting or something). -What if (and this is just me talking on the whim) we found a postcard image (per se) that was itself an image of a vista of some sort and the competition was to re-create that vista-(image)?
[EDIT]: As far as time goes, (when we plan on getting this started) I wouldn't be able to join anything for another week (until I can re-build my work comp).
[EDIT]: As far as time goes, (when we plan on getting this started) I wouldn't be able to join anything for another week (until I can re-build my work comp).
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Re: Quick Question
Posted by Dancefloorasaurus on Fri Jun 5th at 7:40pm 2009
Posted by Dancefloorasaurus on Fri Jun 5th at 7:40pm 2009
That sounds cool. If everyone is attempting to do the same image the best way possible, every mistake will be scrutinized. Also, it would be neat to see how different people attack the same problems.
Re: Quick Question
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Jun 6th at 7:39am 2009
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Well to be honest, the idea of creating a vista from my own imagination and me having total control over it is more interesting to me but I guess I'm up for creating one from a photograph. The deadline for my flash game has been extended to include my 2 week winter holiday so I guess I can squeeze in a little something.
Re: Quick Question
Posted by Riven on Thu Sep 3rd at 2:59am 2009
Ok, So in the midst of me starting up classes again, and also working on the compilation map, my Snarky senses are telling me that you guys are rearin' for a new competition!
The last post in this thread was made in June, It is now September 2nd. If say we started a new competition near the end of this month, and it lasted for however long we agree upon, would we have any takers? Are any of you guys interested and available to participate in a competition (mini, or full) starting near the end of this month?
Please respond yes or no, and state how long you would want it to last (doesn't matter what kind of competition it might be).
=================THE IDEAS THUS FAR:=================
Aaron suggested a Vista-scape
And Juim suggested Map from Postcards/Images
Any more ideas? -I'm up for either TBH.
Also: The prize will definitely include a full digital copy of L4D for the PC (courtesy of Finger). AND some cash money above $50! (Might be able to work out secondary prizes)
The responses in this thread over the next couple of weeks will be the ultimate deciding factor whether we have a competition soon or not! -So....
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=================UPDATE=================
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Ok, So in the midst of me starting up classes again, and also working on the compilation map, my Snarky senses are telling me that you guys are rearin' for a new competition!
The last post in this thread was made in June, It is now September 2nd. If say we started a new competition near the end of this month, and it lasted for however long we agree upon, would we have any takers? Are any of you guys interested and available to participate in a competition (mini, or full) starting near the end of this month?
Please respond yes or no, and state how long you would want it to last (doesn't matter what kind of competition it might be).
=================THE IDEAS THUS FAR:=================
Aaron suggested a Vista-scape
Quoting aaron_da_killa
my idea for the competition was to produce a map with a vista. There are pretty much no restrictions except that the judging on the winner would be done on how cool/detailed/creative etc etc the vista was and that designers should build their maps to highlight the vista only. Here are some ideas for possible vista maps to get those creative juices flowing:
- A barren desert landscape
- A vast combine interior space
- A futuristic city vista
- A combine-exhausted planet landscape
- A view from a space station
- A jungle vista featuring the weaving river
And Juim suggested Map from Postcards/Images
Quoting Juim
Juim: Postcards. Find a postcard, no matter how involved or detailed the picture is, and try to re-create it in Hammer. Once again, performance would not have to be an issue, as I think theres some amazing amount of detail that could be squeezed into a map if performance issues were cast aside. The same rule would apply though. It has to compile. Send a pic of the postcard, a screenie of the map and the bsp.
Any more ideas? -I'm up for either TBH.
Also: The prize will definitely include a full digital copy of L4D for the PC (courtesy of Finger). AND some cash money above $50! (Might be able to work out secondary prizes)
The responses in this thread over the next couple of weeks will be the ultimate deciding factor whether we have a competition soon or not! -So....
SPEAK UP!
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