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| Statistics by themselves mean nothing. |
America has a military presence in 130 of 192 countries? s**t, next thing they'll be starting WW3.
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| PS: Europeans don't really bother me, just the dumb-asses who think that they are so much better and smarter etc. just because they have Shakespeare to hide behind. Shakespeare was overrated anyway. |
Yeah, I hate the way the French and Germans and Spanish and Swiss and Austrians and Dutch and etc... always hide behind old Shakespeare! 
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| The number of times Bush got a standing ovation from only half the room was hilarious. |
Well the worst president the US could have next term IMO would be Bush re-elected.
Bush has been vying to make America the only country in the world immune to all laws. They can execute/capture/imprison almost anybody at will, they can use military force when and where they want, they can make a bunch of rules then break them the next day.
Also, you have to wonder what they are secretly planning by having large ammounts of their military all over the world. And I dont think its to provide quick responce in case of a war. Because they havent done much for Isreal..
Just my opinion...
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so....can we just agree that the union is in a ....state? i vote we pass on it for awhile, and see who in the field f**ks up the worst, or the soonest, or the most, or.....
you get my point yes?....
Doc B....
TBH I think we're all reasonally intelligent and articulate people here, and i'm sure we can appreciate that Americas affairs are always going to be an issue for debate - simply because they are the world superpower. Europe doesn't get mentioned because to be honest, apart from our occasional EC/EU Vs USA trade fights, not a lot of international significance happens over here - in the USA, it does.
Everything the Americans do is going to have a knock on effort on just about every other country in the world, in one way or another. Knowing this, i'd be more concerned about the rising American deficit (ours is growing in the UK with the tax/spend/waste policy) and the state of the economy over there. The war is over, there's nothing we can say now to change any of the Iraqi, British, American lives lost - no matter how strongly you feel about it, it's done, and it's now the problem of the occupying armies.
I myself look now to America and Britains social and economic policies - that's truly what is going to plot the future for us, our children and their children after that. Let's hope the presidents, prime ministers and the public all do the right thing..
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The economy would be in a bit better shape if investors and businessmen didn't act like damn fools during the whole dotcom boom - investing in companies with terrible business plans, expecting internet ad revenue to be worthwhile, and the general excesses that brand new ceo's reveled in, even though it was obviously unaffordable.
Bush definitely could have passed a better tax cut though.
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| just the dumb-asses who think that they are so much better and smarter etc |
[addsig]democrats are ripping each other to shreds over in the corner while bush stands aside and laughs... considering how our electoral college system works, bush has this re-election in the bag.
if you don't agree with me, yer a communist. 
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? posted by 2-bits PS: Europeans don't really bother me, just the dumb-asses who think that they are so much better and smarter etc. just because they have Shakespeare to hide behind. Shakespeare was overrated anyway. Yeah, I hate the way the French and Germans and Spanish and Swiss and Austrians and Dutch and etc... always hide behind old Shakespeare!
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| TBH I think we're all reasonally intelligent and articulate people here, and i'm sure we can appreciate that Americas affairs are always going to be an issue for debate - simply because they are the world superpower. Europe doesn't get mentioned because to be honest, apart from our occasional EC/EU Vs USA trade fights, not a lot of international significance happens over here - in the USA, it does.
Everything the Americans do is going to have a knock on effort on just about every other country in the world, in one way or another. Knowing this, i'd be more concerned about the rising American deficit (ours is growing in the UK with the tax/spend/waste policy) and the state of the economy over there. The war is over, there's nothing we can say now to change any of the Iraqi, British, American lives lost - no matter how strongly you feel about it, it's done, and it's now the problem of the occupying armies. I myself look now to America and Britains social and economic policies - that's truly what is going to plot the future for us, our children and their children after that. Let's hope the presidents, prime ministers and the public all do the right thing.. |
| ? posted by scary_jeff |
Of course I don't want you to all start saying 'omg america sucks!!1', but I just can't believe that nobody bar Brasso expressed any kind of disbeliefe or disgrace at any of the statistics posted by the Lep monster. |
Well Jeff, I did not comment on the statistics because it is supremely easy to lie with stats. take the 3 "children" who were exicuted. They could easily be 17 year-olds who killed their parents, choped them up, and put them in the freezer... I have no problem with executing someone like that. Besides, americas death penalty is an oft quoted statistic by europeans on how barbaric the US is. it's a cultural rift; live with it.
in regaurd to the economic stats, I don't believe that the president has much to do with the econemy under his term. The econemy is such a massive complex entity, nothing short of an act of god (or Alen greenspan) is going to change it in as miniscule a period as 4 years.
There is nothing overwhelming about that list of statistics. without full disclosure on how the catagories being measured were defined, and case by case studies (the three children) they are completely meaningless.
edit: try this on for size http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393310728/102-4094875-7372137?v=glance
I've never actualy read it, but my knowlage of statistics from my chemistry course work is quite enough.
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| ? posted by 2-bits |
| "We don't make an entire thread insulting their countries leaders. Why must they make one insulting ours?" |
I wish you would :/ We can only think of big ears & cheesey grins about blair so far.
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