[map] Titanic
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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Tue May 8th at 12:33pm 2012


Finally got a skybox put in as well as some added detail to the Boat Deck and fixing up more of the nodraw faces in the map. Should be able to make a new video soon.



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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 9th at 11:46pm 2012


Hurray, I've made my 4th video update of the progress of Titanic. Its uploaded to Youtube and available here:

http://youtu.be/yXf0MZwGQds

Check it out and enjoy smiley




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Orpheus on Fri May 11th at 2:41am 2012


Coolness.
Finally found enough free net to see this.
If the boat is to scale, the doorways, floor thickness and halls aren't.

But, its gonna take a bazzilion years to find and/or make textures.

Identifying areas is gonna be a bitch too.

However, the novelty of this project will cover a million sins. It looks fantastic old man. smiley




The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Fri May 11th at 3:26am 2012


I actually found something yesterday that's put a bit of a dent in my spirits related to that...

When I first started this back in December, I had Googled to find a conversion between Hammer units and real world units. I found this on VDC: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Dimensions#Source_Engine_Scale_Calculations which stated 16 Hammer units is equal to 1 foot.

I based all of my measurements based on those dimensions.

However yesterday I noticed you can change the map units in Hammer to feet and inches, and unfortunately, 1 foot is 12 Hammer units, not 16. I've just posted on VDC looking for clarification, but my bet is the original doc I found is incorrect.

Looks like I might be spending some time adjusting the entire ship.. bla. Gonna post in the pit editing forum too for extra input.




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Tue Oct 16th at 12:48am 2012


Thought I'd drop in a note saying hi, Im still alive. Im not sure what happened back in May, but amongst having my new daughter, vacation around that time, a busy load at work, and a slight loss of interest, I guess I just stopped working on this.

For the first time since May, I've fired up VHE and opened up my map. Going over the issue I was running into previously about scale, Im going to attempt to rescale the ship and start from there. If I switch the units display in VHE it shows the present ship to have a length of 1164ft 0in when in reality it is 882ft 9in.

I've always felt the dimensions werent where they should be. Hopefully this will help. And it will also make the entire map itself smaller, which I hope will improve performance.

So... lets see how that goes.




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Wed Oct 17th at 1:54am 2012


I did a scale test using the First Class Lounge on A Deck. As best as I could tell, from reference, the four support columns in the room are 11ft 4in tall, which I assume means the ceiling height is 11ft 4in. Using the new measurements (in which 1ft = 12u and not 1ft = 16u as described by Valve), I've rebuilt the First Class Lounge to size. For grins, I measured the ceiling height of the original scale one, and its a whopping 17ft 0in high!

Here's a quick Youtube showing the difference between the new scale (viewed first) and the old scale (viewed second) Its actually quite surprising. Next I'll focus on re-scaling the entire A Deck, and if I like the results, I'll work on the rest of the ship, deck by deck.

http://youtu.be/tbVEGTwHmd4




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Wed Oct 17th at 9:42pm 2012


I've completed the majority of the work with the First Class Lounge rescaling and positioned it where the original was. Here's a look at the difference.

You can clearly see the difference in all axis



Here a look at the measuring system I've implemented, whereas before I was doing calculations and measurements based on station 1-1, now I've actually built it out in map to make the rescale easier and quicker (hopefully)





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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Sat Oct 20th at 4:50am 2012


Progress on the resize. The First Class Lounge, Gymnasium, and part of the Fore Grand Staircase are complete. You can clearly see the difference in size, especially in how much things are moving back in. The centre position of the ship hasnt changed (in the First Class Lounge), but with the new scale, the Fore Grand Staircase has to move back by more than it's original size.





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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Ricky on Mon Aug 5th at 7:25pm 2013


I like the work you did here

i'm trying to make a 3D model myself but with medium resolution
using blender and cycles as renderer

if possible can you give some good references for some of the equipments
showing may be drawings or images for the different pumps in engine or turbine rooms

and also very much interested in electrical equipments
like i could not find a lot on the main switchgear
to make a nice 3D model
any good references on this would also be nice!



thank you very much
happy blendering




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by No.2 on Fri Aug 9th at 6:31pm 2013


Hi Wild C and others interested (now i can say attached spiritualy)to this project.
Spend few hours reading and digging into this thread, im rather fascinated simultaneously disgusted by scope of this project, and your dogged attitude with which plunges headlong into it. And you dont do just the talk you do the work.
When I read to the point where you decided rescale the whole damn thing
Just thought to myself "he's a mad man" and i respect that.

I wish you strong will and nerves

bon voyage fellow mapper



oh, hi world..



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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Fri Aug 16th at 1:45pm 2013


I havent actually worked on this since my last postings. Mostly due to the fact that the online reference I was using for the ship (blue prints designed by Bruce Beveridge) available on the Discovery website in limited visibility, were removed.

I could have purchased a printed copy of the plans on large paper but I have no drafting table or similar space to lay them out, nor the ability at the moment to fork out the cash for the next several months.

This was further so also because when I attempted the rescale of the First Class Lounge (visible in the last screenshot) what I also ended up noticing is that the new dimensions also didnt work right, and would have meant that keeping that scale, many parts of the ship (mostly fore and aft) would have been inaccessible because of the player's dimensions.

I've been doing work with a client in Hawaii this week and that's made me spend hours scouring Wikipedia on various pages, which started with the USS Arizona memorial and ship, and finishing with various pages on the Bismarck, it's battle against the Hood, and it's sinking.

With Four Funnels Entertainment doing a pretty darn good job with re-creating the Titanic in stunning detail in CryEngine, Im thinking maybe I can shift gears a little bit.

Im very meticulous. Often, to a fault.

Truthfully, having to re-scale wouldnt have really dampened anything (you should see my Panchaea project in Minecraft, that's how persistent I am). But the fact that the hours I spent on the re-scale were useless, coupled with the fact that I no longer had access to the plans I needed, kinda put a stop to it.




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Crono on Fri Aug 16th at 5:58pm 2013


Would these help? http://www.abratis.de/sources/pictures/blue.html


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Fri Aug 16th at 6:15pm 2013


Heya Crono!

Those images I found many moons ago when I first got interested in doing this (something like 4-5 years ago?) Unfortunately they arent as detailed as I'd need to satisfy my .... compulsiveness? to accurate measurements.

The plans which were hosted by Discovery were actually the plans developed by Bruce Beveridge and are available for purchase on paper here: http://titanic-model.com/ga-plans/ (level of detail: http://titanic-model.com/ga-plans/g-a_plans_preview2.shtml)

I've tried to ping Bruce in the past but dunno if he just doesnt check that associated email account or not.





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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Wild Card on Sun Apr 16th at 2:57am 2017


Just felt like posting in. My daughter is now 5, and a bit surprisingly, has picked up an interest in Titanic. So that rekindled my interest in it as well.

I haven't touched my project since around October 2012, when around that time I had lost access to the blueprints online, and also discovered that the scale I had built was incorrect, resulting in dimensions somewhere around 40-50% larger than they were supposed to be.

Loosing access to the prints.. having to re-size everything.. and the lack of free time with a newborn.. I abandoned the project. The project going at the time by Four Funnels Entertainment was called 'Titanic Lost In The Darkness' has since disbanded and reformed as another title 'Titanic Honor & Glory' (http://www.titanichg.com/). Their work is truly stunning and even back in 2012 when I was doing my work, I knew I could not compete against this. Nor was it my goal. I wanted to build something of my own with it, and say I did it. Or at least, looking back, that's how I feel about it.

I have supported the Titanic Honor & Glory project, played their demos, and really look forward to it coming out.

But what I've also found, are that the blueprints I was using are back on the internet here (https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-deckplans/) so I am once again thinking about continuing my project. Something I've been thinking about ever since I stopped, but I didn't have the resources to continue.

We'll see..

Always happy to see this community is still on the interwebs, even if it's pretty well stale. I think this was the very first online community I ever joined.




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Re: [map] Titanic
Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 16th at 9:13am 2017


You can do it! I believe in you.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.




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