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Posted by Erestheux on Tue Jul 20th at 4:52pm 2004

Hello, I'm brand new to this site but thought it would be cool to put my newest map, fy_coach up here.

I know its an fy_ map, but it was the best thing I could do with the idea. The map takes place on two adjacent moving trains. There are several problems with it, though, and I want to fix it up before I release version 1.2, which I hope will be played often!

Comment, questions, critiques and suggestions are welcome, thanks a lot!



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Posted by Leperous on Wed Jul 21st at 5:22am 2004

Don't have HL with me on holiday, but from the screenshots it doesn't look bad but could use more detail- tables (with stuff on them) in the carriages, more detailed chairs with arm rests and not so stretched textures, etc. Good luck pulling it off



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Wed Jul 21st at 6:47am 2004

There are a few models here http://thedoenerking.myexp.de/models.php that you could use in the map for more detail. I don't have CS so I can't play it, sorry.




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Posted by Erestheux on Wed Jul 21st at 8:48pm 2004

Thanks for your help. I plan on getting models for the chairs somehow, because r_speeds are difficult to control when the func_trains are always visible. It peeks at 1100 at one point, and averages between 750-800 everywhere else.

I would like better textures, too, but I am not the best texture artist. Thanks for the site, Sniper, but they didn't seem to have any good coach-looking chairs... seems like something that would have to be custom, and I have no modelling programs or money to buy them.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I like this site, you guys show respect.



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Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 21st at 10:29pm 2004

Glad you like it here, everyone grows to eventually

I think A_S might have meant the models on that site that are just general clutter, such as the drink cans, letters, books, and so on.

As for modelling packages, there are a couple of free options. With HL2 around the corner, and like most new FPS's, it's use of more 3D modelling package generated scenery (or "props" as they are called in HL2), it might be wise to get learning some modelling skills too. The most widely used free package is milkshape, which is actually shareware but will last 30 days or so for free (and its been known to last longer if you know what I mean ). If you like it and plan on using it, its $20 or so to buy it, so it won't break the bank if you deside to support them. The other is Softimage XSi, which has just had a free version released for putting out HL2 content. I've no idea if it supports HL1 files however. Do google searches on them to find out more I guess, or just search these forums.

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Posted by KingNic on Wed Jul 21st at 11:04pm 2004

The HL2 XSI exports to smd. HL1 and HL2 use the same smd format, the only differences between the new and old mdls is the compile tool and 'textures' in the qc file is now named 'materials'.

Milkshape 3d is the easiest to learn for low polygon modelling though
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Posted by Erestheux on Thu Jul 22nd at 2:42am 2004

Thanks a lot, guys.

I had tried Milkshape out once, didn't get much done, and then left using the computer for a while. The result: 30 day trial period with no experience whatsoever. I also feel very uncomfortable sending $25 in the mail to some people I don't know with a return address and no security. And there are other ways... but I like my computer... maybe... someone can give me advice...?

I've heard that XSI sucks and is definately not for beginners, so I never bothered with it. 3dsMax is what I really would like... but the problem with that is that it costs SO MUCH MONEY. Eeep.

But I have to get crackin' at this modelling buisness, huh? Starting my search now... only problem is that I just started out a mod team and have a ton of mapping to do.

Once again, thanks so much guys. (I am known for my long annoying comments :-P)





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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Thu Jul 22nd at 6:42am 2004

I'm pretty sure you can get Milkshape over Paypal (which is secure and such) The modelling tools/animation tools are, however, incredibly weak compared to other packages. I suppose it's a good starting block for 3dsMax though.
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Posted by KingNic on Thu Jul 22nd at 2:54pm 2004

Try Gmax to learn 3dsmax - it's a free alternative with some features removed. There's no half-life exporter for it though.
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Posted by Erestheux on Tue Jul 27th at 3:34pm 2004

Thanks.

I don't know if its worth it to get Milkshape now, since HL2 is nigh, correct? Will there be a Milkshape 2? Anyway, I'll check that out, if its paypal I will certainly get it but I didn't see anything about that on the site.

I got Gmax, and then Tempest (which exports models from gmax to the Quake III format thing.) I need Milkshape to convert the Quake III format to the HL SMD and then compile it. And with the trial over, Milkshape doesn't work any more. So, I tried learning gmax but gave up since I can't get them in the game...



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Jul 27th at 3:55pm 2004

Milkshape is unlikely to get a "sequel" program for HL2, but I'm sure they will add in HL2 support once it is released, as they do for lots of other games. [addsig]



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Posted by KingNic on Tue Jul 27th at 5:04pm 2004

If something exports to Half-Life, then it exports to Half-Life 2...

MS3d will work fine for modelling props and stuff for HL2, but like the HL engine, requirements for rendering are exponential. Any hardware will start to slow down when dealing with 3000+ polygons in MS3d.
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Posted by Erestheux on Tue Jul 27th at 6:08pm 2004

Right, that makes sense. I was wondering if HL2 will have different capabilities with models, though, or something. Heh.

Getting Milkshape now.... ;-)



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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Wed Jul 28th at 12:47am 2004

Interesting idea for a map. I once considered making a deathmatch map where the entire thing took place within some scrolling subway tunnel, and there were two trains next to each other (but they were almost completely flat, except a few low boxes you could crouch behind.) Periodically low-haning signboards would come flying at the players on one train - forcing them to quickly duck or leap to the other train, or be swept off the back only to die in the black abyss behind them.

Actually it sounds fun again, maybe I'll give it another go. [addsig]



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Posted by Erestheux on Wed Jul 28th at 5:48am 2004

I've actually been thinking that it would be awesome to make a similiar map, only based in a subway. The walls would be much less detailed but still be convincing, but would give you much less of a hassle with r_speeds.

I'll let you do it, if you want, though. And counterstrike isn't a good mod for this... gotta find another one...



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Jul 20th at 12:07am 2004

How are you achieving the moving effect? I haven't played the map but I am curious smiley <br> <br>I'm not a fan of FY maps but at least this is an interesting setting and concept, good luck.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Jul 20th at 2:29am 2004

I assume he's just getting all the stuff outside to move like in the beginning of OP4. Sweet idea. smiley



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Posted by Erestheux on Tue Jul 20th at 2:45am 2004

A magician never likes to reveal his tricks, especially to people who don't even bother playing his damn maps! (Hehe, just kidding) <br> <br>I used func_trains as the foreground and slower moving ones for the background. Just like Opposing Force. You can thank the VERC for that one, they have a great tutorial on it that I read long ago. <br> <br>I would have loved to make this a different kind of map, but sadly it is extremely hard (and impossible for me) to pull it off and make it big enough for any other kind of map besides fy. I still think its rather fun, though.



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Posted by $loth on Tue Jul 20th at 7:15am 2004

Try and get some better chairs, or at least some better textures for the chairs. Bu it does look gd......for an fy map.



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Jul 20th at 1:41pm 2004

I guessed it would be func_trains, however I figured that would be best for situations in which you know exactly how long it will last (like a single player intro, ie. op4). I imagine you could just make it teleport back to the beginning once its all passed however, and if you made the start and end of the scenery identical then you wouldn't notice the jump. <br> <br>BTW, I'd be interested in playing this one but, due a long story I can't very well summarise here, HL isn't installed on the PC I've got setup. Looks interesting though.




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