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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Sep 15th at 12:46am 2004

I'm pretty close to done with this one, but it still needs some polishing. I'm thinking of adding more destruction, but that has to be pretty limited in the major areas because I'm already at my r_speeds limit.

Suggest away.

[addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Wed Sep 15th at 1:53am 2004

Good to see some new stuff around Anyway, here goes

First off, everything looks a bit too bright. You should reduce the number of bounces and/or gamma, because everything looks washed out. More contrast maybe. And the sky is somewhat boring.

Screen 1:
-Architecture looks good, but somewhat under-emphasized because of the lighting.
-Rooftops look too similar to each other.
-Ground texture's a bit overstretched?

Screen 2:
-What's causing the high wpolys?
-Again, nice architecture hidden by the lighting.

Screen 3:
-Again, the wpolys a bit high?
-Nice touch with the stained glass window

Screen 4:
-Seeing as you have the wpoly's to spare here, a little more of the rubble and destruction would look good here
-Maybe some terrain variations.
-That mossy-stone wall texture's been a bit overused here IMO

Screen 5:
-Best shot of the bunch, good work. Bright light and shadow works really nicely here. This place looks very good.

Looking forward to a download





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Posted by Cassius on Wed Sep 15th at 2:31am 2004

I like it; I think the problem is that it looks ancient rather than old, nothing a good retexture couldn't solve.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Sep 15th at 3:46am 2004

Thanks for the comments.

I think the lighting looks washed out because I have my gamma maxed out in Steam so I can see into those dark corners. maybe I will turn it down and retake the screens.

Thre are good reasons for the w_poly in most of those screens. Trim around windows and doors. Lots of detail, particularly inside the church, and some of it gets drawn form the outside.

I don't plan on changing many of the textures as they are all DoD default, and I want to keep the file-size small. It's a good point about the roofes though. I ought to have at least two different textures.

I'll get the link up as soon as my next compile is done.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Sep 15th at 5:25am 2004

Download [addsig]



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Posted by Agent Smith on Wed Sep 15th at 2:18pm 2004

I've got to agree with Fraggard and Cassius on this one. The map is looking really good but the thing letting it down is the outdoor texturing, inside the church looks great.

There are plenty of good town textures around that look old but not, as Cassius put it, ancient. When creating realistic scenes for DOD in the HL engine, you have to rely heavily on the textures for detail and realism, as well as the brushwork and layout. My suggestion would be don't skimp on the textures.

Apart from that top job .





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Sep 21st at 3:35am 2004

*update*

Changes that I can think of:

-1 new area to connect between the two main areas.

-Spawn protection

-1 man caps on 3 out of th four flags

-less glass

-some new roof textures for variation

-Tried to lessen the dependance on the overused mossy wall texture

-Screens taken at less than full gamma.

Download





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Posted by Minotaur0 on Tue Sep 21st at 4:11am 2004

nice man, but I really dont like the roofs. They need a "trim" between them and the walls, will make things look less blocky. I like the atmosphere, but you need to add some more detail. I mean, the map is on the right track and well built, but needs that "OMFG!!!!1" factor [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Sep 21st at 4:26am 2004

I'm not entirely sure what your getting at in terms of the rooves...

I definitely have some more cool effects planned. env_shooter here I come!





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Thu Oct 21st at 5:55am 2004

All good projects must come to an end whether they are perfect or not. I have come to the conclusion that I am as finished with this as I am ever going to get. I've done my best to respond to the critiques thrown my way and I hope many of you will have fun playing my creation. Thanks for the help.

The screens and DL link have been updated.

[addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 21st at 6:00am 2004

dammit jim, i cannot remember this one

looks good though, shame i don't play dod

this one musta came along during my hiatis..

good luck TB

[addsig]



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Posted by Agent Smith on Thu Oct 21st at 6:30am 2004

Well, personally Tracer I would have fixed a few things before releasing it, like that God awful water in the first shot, the sad looking bushes on the hill in the second, and the somewhat dodgy architecture in the third. The fourth shot looks great though and the fifth looks like the map has an interesting layout. Texturing could have used a bit more work, but its your call. Nice job over all, just me being picky.



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Thu Oct 21st at 6:40am 2004

Thanks Orph.

Like I said. It isn't perfect. I just don't have time anymore to work on it and being that HL2 is coming out with DoD: Source close behind, I don't really see the point in waiting to see if I might someday get back to it.

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 21st at 6:41am 2004

~drools~ ... DoD Source ... [addsig]



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Posted by Agent Smith on Fri Oct 22nd at 6:37am 2004

Oh yeah, DOD: Source. I've slowed most of my DOD mapping down at the moment, just developing cool ideas and layouts so that when its released I can map away. Of course I'm going to try and release a couple more DOD maps before Source comes out, as its going to be a while before its released.

My brecourt manor map is on hold, same with rural (which has been on hold for months) as the engine just can't handle them. I'm going to aim to finish u-boat and a new map based around Monte Cassino in the next 2 months.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Oct 22nd at 6:40am 2004

I wonder how many NPCs HL2 will be able to handle now ... it'd be great if DoD had some NPCs in source as well.

Imagine having battles where a majority of players were bots mixed with people ... creating huge battles.

Imagine if Charlie didn't blow ass because you were the only target on the goddamed beach. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Oct 22nd at 9:55am 2004

? quoting Crono
Imagine having battles where a majority of players were bots mixed with people ... creating huge battles.

it would only be cool if you could direct them, as in squads or platoons.. cannon fodder would not be my idea of fun..

what would be nice, an engine that could handle D-Day, and all of us storming the beach heads.. that would require..

1) that once you died, you stayed dead.. this would encourage you to not do stupid s**t.
2) massive communications.. via voice links.
3) about a week to play, you'd have to chose a place for your player to rest and whatnot.
4) real time.. as in day is day and night is night. (local to the maps origin)
5) if you were killed during your sleep cycle.. opps, you had a bad day.

now thats team play i'd join, not this cs crap

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 23rd at 7:20am 2004

Don't expect that on any engine that exists.

You basically described a MMOFPS of WWII.

I don't understand why you wish to control all the troops. I mean sure that'd be cool if it was a possibility, but that would become a pain in the ass. It'd make much more sense if you didn't command them, but rather (especially in the situation of Normandy Beach) you made a plan before hand. It would definatly make sense for "cannon fodder" to be running around, since a lot of people on Normandy beach were exactly that. Not to be a dick about it or anything.

Not everyone wants voice communications. I hate when people talk in dod, I f**kING HATE IT.

However, I've developed ideas that would probably interest you, but I wont disclose them for risk of alienation... [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Oct 23rd at 10:10am 2004

? quoting Crono
However, I've developed ideas that would probably interest you, but I wont disclose them for risk of alienation...

as if people like us ever worry about the concept

maybe i was a bit hasty, i didn't mean control, as in you go that way, and i go this way sorta control.. i meant bots would ruin a campaign such as i discribed..

think on this, in a real battle such as this, people die, they take fewer risks.. but in a game, you respawn with such ease, you fight with abandon.. all i am saying is, it would be nice to have a days long/weeks long battle where you had to worry about dying..

getting ammo, sleep, food, hell taking a dump.. those things make realistic, real.. not blood, headshots, or kill totals.

and no, i don't expect to see such an engine, or game in the immediate future

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 23rd at 9:25pm 2004

You didn't listen.

I understand what you're saying more then you know. It should just NEVER be implimented with DoD. [addsig]




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