the saddest part is, even when i am gone, doc tries to pull me into his fights

at one time, i had doc on a pedestal almost as high as my mentor jeff meyer... its sad, when your hero falls so far..

ask around doc, if you have the balls... i used to post every new map you made, and brag about them... right here at SP..

i am almost ashamed to admit that now..

*cough*

*hack*

Sorry, I didn't mean to post in here again.  I was just browsing and developed this terrible *cough* 

that last shot looks pretty good doc. Gameplay would flow quite well if the player can get across the rooftops. Its difficult to make rooftops look any good though, Often you end up with a plain grey flat surface.

you deliberately misquote my intent..

you asked how we prefer maps, not how they must be to be a member..

i would love to see you gone, but i refuse to let you leave because you are pouting..

snarkpit embraces all mapping, but refuse to acknowledge them in the same light you do..

my maps are popular, to some, it does not mean i would remove them if no one cared..

you could map correctly, you just chose not to.. if you want our approval, make maps we would approve of.. i cannot say it any other way..

you don't need or require our approval to be here.. all you have to do is accept, your current style, is not as popular as you would have it be..

leave, or stay, i don't give a rats ass, but do so because you chose to, dont try to pawn it off on me..

i cannot rightly "speak" for everyone, but my words are very much the concensus...

some of our most patient, forgiving, and quiet members posted within this thread yesterday.. you went OTT, and the fact that they said anything at all says alot..

your maps, are yours, we just fail to see them in the same venue that you want them to be..

should you alter your maps for us?

nope.

should you require our advice?

nope.

but, if you want our outlook on them to alter, you might consider posting them in beta form.. after-all, you have shown no inclination to "FIX" any defects we point out afterwards..

we value your maps, just not as much as others may..

if a map of yours, is posted for advice, you will get it, no matter how well you receive it, and no matter if it wasn't you who brought it to our attention... any map posted on snarkpit, is open for debate, feelings, or reputation of the author, are not a factor...

i never reached my current level of skill, by being  placated, you will never improve till you stop requiring it from others..

thats about as clear as anyone can make it.. i can only hope, a portion of it penetrates that mantle you have firmly placed between us, and yourself..

My thoughts exactly.

I think I've finally found someone who's ego can measure up to mine, and then some.

If I may put it frankly, Doc, you stupid son of a bitch, your kind of pride is very interesting. Interesting strictly in the sense that you are married to/macking with/are currently stalking a stripper and spend a good part of your time online in the desperate attempt to prove that you are better and have a bigger c**k than all other mappers that might oppose you, neither of which are remotely close to the truth.

That, and you go on about your skill at an art you neither appreciate nor understand, or even try to improve at. One day you may realize, that the skill of mapping is to not have a bunch of pizza faced twelve year olds giggle over something you knocked up for a couple of hours. Any stupid f**k can look at killbox or fy_iceworld and see that (but as they say, love is blind, especially when you're whacking off looking in the mirror, Doc). I could never begin to explain the art of level design to you, and that's not even a holier-than-thou overstatement; when you refuse to believe that a good map requires you to learn how to f**king map first, there is precious little even I can do.

So, Doc, guess what: I hear your overinflated head opening it's mouth already, and I think you already know that any of the garbage that's about to spew out of it will not mean a god damned thing to a soul at the Snarkpit, much less a single person on the earth.

A map's quality is not proportional to the amount of people playing it.

Because you say it is good, because your bitch wife says it's good, does not mean that it is good. And none of the fine gentleman who spend their days trying to suck your dick have very meaningful opinions either.

Even if you spent your whole life working on a map, if it's s**tty, it's s**tty.

And we will tell you when it is, and congratulate you when it isn't. If you're too good to be questioned, find something else to do, instead of sobbing over in the corner like an attention whore when we periodically realize you're a dick.

No, there are no completed maps on my profile. No, they obviously are not played online. I myself can tell you that half of a single one of my maps, of the maps of anyone who reads this, is worth twice everything you've ever made.

If Orph won't speak for everyone, I will, when I say

FUCK YOU, DOC.

And if Lep or Orph or Gwil or Gollum or anyone doesn't like me being so mean, or will lock this thread because of me, then please ban me while you're at it, because I won't be able to stand looking at this place anymore.

Cassius - some of that was pretty uncool Why did you feel the need to drag Doc's wife into this - you're only going to make things worse saying things like that.

Just leave it eh?