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Re: Justice
Posted by satchmo on Mon Jan 3rd at 5:37pm 2005


This map was modeled after the real-life courthouse in Santa Barbara, California. I still got a way to go before completing the map, but I would appreciate some comments on the screenshots.

Please post your comments here instead of the actual map section. I would like to reserve that section for reviews once the map is complete. Thank you.
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Re: Justice
Posted by ReNo on Mon Jan 3rd at 5:52pm 2005


Reduce the texture scale on most faces, looks like you are using 1x scale while you should be using 0.25 for most cases. [addsig]



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Jan 3rd at 5:55pm 2005


how the heck did you make that statue? is that a model you made or is it MASSIVE displacement work? [addsig]



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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jan 3rd at 5:59pm 2005


It's a model. I am flattered that you think I could be that talented with displacement surface.
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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jan 3rd at 6:03pm 2005


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Reduce the texture scale on most faces, looks like you are using 1x scale while you should be using 0.25 for most cases.


Wow, you've got a sharp eye, ReNo! I did use 0.25 scaling for most of my textures, with the exception of the outside stone floor. I was trying to boost performance by using 1x scaling on this huge brush surface, but I'll experiment with 0.25 scaling (and 0.5 scaling) for the outside floor to see how much of a performance degradation I get.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Jan 3rd at 7:42pm 2005


but where did you get the model?

PS. I have already made realistic looking trees and some statue-work with displacemnts.

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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Mon Jan 3rd at 8:30pm 2005


props_c17 ;o

It looked nice from what I could tell when I previewed it, I see you've made some changes since then...I'd suggest adding a pathway to the front entry and displacement-mapping the stone floor on the outside ever-so-slightly, unless it's like that in real-life.




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Posted by Cassius on Tue Jan 4th at 12:16am 2005


The architecture needs trim and contrast, right now it's a bunch of shapes.

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Posted by satchmo on Wed Jan 5th at 4:37am 2005


Thanks for all the suggestions. They are very helpful. I've spent some time today adding some trim and highlights to the facade. I couldn't get the 3D skybox to work properly. I'll try again tomorrow, after looking at some example maps by Valve.

I am also very sick from a cough and rhinorrhea (probably caught it from the multitudes of sick kids I see everyday), so I am taking a break from mapping for now. I am not staying up all night mapping this week (like I've done last week).

Instead, I'm staying up late to shoot antlions and Combines!

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Wed Jan 5th at 7:05am 2005


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I am also very sick from a cough and rhinorrhea (probably caught it from the multitudes of sick kids I see everyday), so I am taking a break from mapping for now. I am not staying up all night mapping this week (like I've done last week).



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Re: Justice
Posted by satchmo on Wed Jan 5th at 7:38pm 2005


I've successfully added a decent 3D skybox. The outside area looks less empty now.

I have to work this afternoon again, so I'll have to save the rest of editing until tomorrow.
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Posted by satchmo on Thu Jan 6th at 4:51pm 2005


I've never played HL deathmatch or HL2 deathmatch until last night, so I am still getting the feel of multiplayer gameplay. I need a lot of advice when I release the beta of Justice for download on the gameplay. I want to ensure that the play is balanced for each spawn point and no one has any unfair advantage.

I anticipate the release of the beta next week.

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Posted by satchmo on Fri Jan 7th at 12:19am 2005


I need someone with web storage to post the final version of the map for me. I used to have an account with my college, but they've deleted my account recently (I graduated more than ten years ago, so I don't blame them).

Would there be a kind and generous person who lets me upload it to his/her site when the map is complete? Thanks in advance.

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Posted by Quaver on Fri Jan 7th at 12:40am 2005


Why dont you host it on twhl, thats free or i would if i knew my username and password to my ntl webspace which i am trying to work out now, 55mb free. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Fri Jan 7th at 12:48am 2005


It looks decent enough so you can e-mail it to me if you want



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Posted by satchmo on Fri Jan 7th at 6:24am 2005


Thanks, Lep. It's quite a big file (2.85 MB zipped), so it might take a while to download.

I have the beta ready for some play-testing. I am sending it to you right now.
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Posted by satchmo on Fri Jan 7th at 6:31am 2005


I am ahead of schedule. I have the beta ready tonight. I've sent it to Lep because I don't have any web storage space, and he's generous enough to upload it for me.

Take the beta for a spin, and let me know at this thread how I can improve it. Thanks a bunch.
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Posted by satchmo on Tue Jan 11th at 2:27pm 2005


I finally found a host for the map, so now it's really available for downloading this time.

Please post any comments on gameplay in this thread. Particularly, I want to know whether it's a good idea to add glass to some of the windows. I didn't do it yet because I am concerned that they might interfere with multiplayer gameplay.
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Posted by IrishGuinea on Thu Jan 13th at 5:23am 2005


Nice map, better than most first maps. It's to dark inside. It would look alot nicer if you lit up some of those areas more. The prison section needed some lights in the cells. you don't need to make it all bright but just some dim lighting so theres no real blacked out areas, you have toilets and stuff in the cells but how can you use them as weapon if you cant see them.

The outside areas is to square, well rectangular, break up those outside walls with some variation, the grass is kind of basic too, you could ude the displacment better, try using 3 or 4 setting, the few raised areas you have are to sharp looking.

also add some throwable stuff outside, it's pretty bare. The buggy is pretty useless, can't keep it going around the perimeter without bangin into the outside walls, but i bet its fun to run someone over


nittpicking here, but the window throws wood gibs instead of glass


These are nice but too tall, I can't see the courtyard below, so they're useless. make them lower. Theres quite a few windows that are to tall or not wide enough to jump through. that would help gameplay alot if fixed.


you have a ledge along that white line, I drew it because it's to dark to see it. add some lights on top of it, might throw some cool shadows. Its to dark through there, as is alot of places.


You have quite a few of these walls sticking out around the map. to easy to get stuck on, clip them or angle them so it fades into the wall behind it. stairwells are to tight, but I dont think you can fix that without major changes.


Pretty boring basement, dress up the columns atleast. and change that ambient sound your using in there, it's almost deafening it's so loud.

good potential, not a bad first map. keep it up.





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Posted by satchmo on Fri Jan 14th at 4:25am 2005


Thanks. I'll take all that into consideration.

I am actually making a single-player version of the same map right now. I'll definitely light things up more.
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