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Posted by Gorbachev on Fri Jan 21st at 9:01am 2005

This map has been around a long, long time. And while I don't think it's the greatest, it can be a lot of fun. Problem is that it looked really, really dated. Luckily enough I got the opportunity to be the one to update it. So far I've kept the r_speeds almost exactly the same as the original (often because I replaced brushwork errors with details).

I'm also using uncommon textures so that it doesn't look like every other map in that way either. I've got a fair bit left to do (mainly remove any angled cut destruction and replace it with realistic blown-out sections, lighting, and other environmental details.

I'll include a few pictures of the original (well, there were something like 12 betas...but the original mapper gave the source for someone who wanted for finalize it for the last of the HL1 versions.)

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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 21st at 9:19am 2005

I love your improvements and additions thus far. It looks great. [addsig]



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Posted by azelito on Fri Jan 21st at 2:17pm 2005

Looks amazing. Love your DoD maps, even though I dont play DoD. [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Fri Jan 21st at 2:47pm 2005

Mostly very nice improvements, but I have a few suggestions on the screenshots.

In the second new part where you have modified the church, you have no windows on the lower floor and it looks very bland. You effectively have just a long flat wall for the side of the building and it could really use some sprucing up, even if it were just some masked window textures or something. Also, the tree at the end of the road looks a bit odd sat right in front of the gate in my opinion.

In the last shot of the large hall building, the large angled roof section over the doors could really use a different texture (and more brushwork IMO) on the front of it - its a sudden and ugly change from the bit of trim you have on the side.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 22nd at 8:09am 2005

The two areas you mentioned haven't been 'touched' yet. But they were on my list of detailing. There's a bit of a problem with the scale on the church, so I have to work that out later as well.

And Orph, for your comment in the map profile about the bricks, it was more of a matter of using a unique texture for the road as every other natural or good enough looking texture has been used to death and I wanted something that is both of a reddish colour and is uncommon, so while I do think the bricks look a bit long (I personally wished they were the same style as my cobble in dod_kettle) I have to deal with it as-is right now.
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Posted by Cassius on Sat Jan 22nd at 9:36am 2005

It looks good, but it doesn't feel like a city at all. Maybe that's because of the lack of height variation in the buildings/road (and I don't mean making it bumpy). It's been a long time since I've played DoD, but I can definately see myself getting raped left and right and up and down by snipers in every area depicted in the screens - there simply isn't enough cover. Though I suppose if you were simply trying to remake it, you can't very well change the layout. [addsig]



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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 22nd at 9:54am 2005

I'm still only about 75% done the layout in its original form...after I do that I'm going to work on the solid rubble and cover. I can't make too much cover though, or it eliminates any usefulness of snipers too. It's tough to get a balance because even player strengths can mess with playtesting.
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Posted by Agent Smith on Sat Jan 22nd at 12:08pm 2005

Looking pretty good Gorbachev. I would probably add some structural detail to the church and other buildings, as the simplistic nature of much of the brush work would allow for it r_speed wise.

I can't wait till DOD Source is released. I've been doing some experimentation with displacement surfaces for realistic trench systems and they're looking pretty good, still need a bit of work though. I'm hoping DOD Source will be more generous with foliage than HL2, CS:S and HL2:DM, as I really need some thick shrubs and trees to create realistic hedgerow country and other outdoor scenario's.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 12:28pm 2005

? quoting Gorbachev
And Orph, for your comment in the map profile about the bricks, it was more of a matter of using a unique texture for the road as every other natural or good enough looking texture has been used to death and I wanted something that is both of a reddish colour and is uncommon, so while I do think the bricks look a bit long (I personally wished they were the same style as my cobble in dod_kettle) I have to deal with it as-is right now.

Gorby, anyone with your skill could edit the texture to suit your desire. if you have your heart set on that particular one, then make it fit the map, don't make the map fit the texture.

the decision is yours however, you know i will support any results you chose to employ. who am i to talk, your maps beat mine hands down. :/

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Posted by Cassius on Sat Jan 22nd at 5:27pm 2005

You think Mikezilla's cobble texture is uncommon? [addsig]



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Posted by Forceflow on Sat Jan 22nd at 6:48pm 2005

As for the DoD look and feel, you're fine.

Just try to add some more ... variation in the textures. All looks grey.

I'm sure this will be a great map, just a bit of tweaking to do !
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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Jan 22nd at 7:41pm 2005

The streets look very wrong to me. Nobody makes roads that slope down and form a trough for the simple fact that is is a trough. Most roads are crowned so that the middle is higher than the curb. This way water runs into the gutters instead of staying on the road. I think it would look much better if you changed your brushwork to reflect this.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 22nd at 9:36pm 2005

I'm just going to have to continue my search of a good cobble...I'm an okay texture artist, but not good enough for something I'd want plastered in almost every visible area of the map. I'm trying for variation, but you also have to take in mind about 1/2 of the buildings there have been quick-textured and I haven't spent any time on them other than giving them a placeholder texture. Thanks for the idea Tracer...I knew there was something odd about the roads, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
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Posted by Gorbachev on Mon Sep 11th at 5:25am 2006

What's that? I set up Hammer again? I opened up devastation? Sha-zam. Yeah, I know nobody will read this, but this map is alive just like that "Bring out yer dead" corpse guy. It shall be finished, I have fresh ideas and after a long hiatus I finally have desire to actually do some mapping of worth again. Even this thread is pretty old in comparison to what I did with the map, but rest assured there shall be improvements and completions abound.



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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 11th at 7:14am 2006

Sounds good. Another well made Dod map is always welcome.


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Posted by Mr.INSANE on Thu Sep 14th at 12:38am 2006

The Pictures seem to be down


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Posted by Gorbachev on Thu Sep 14th at 1:31am 2006

They're from over a year and a half ago. :P

No point in putting those ones back anyway. The regular SP ones are sufficient until I put new ones up.



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Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Apr 25th at 1:55am 2007

I've actually been motivated enough to work on this lately, finished a lot of core work and I've been envisioning changes and updates during downtimes at work. I'm sticking this one out for v1.3 DoD and after I'll work on an entirely new map for Source as I have 2 very good untouched ideas that would play pretty well + look slick.



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 25th at 9:52am 2007

Coolness. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 21st at 10:56am 2005

Your art with creating believable debris is growing Master Gorby, very nice. <br>do i detect some Cassius textures in there as well? <br> <br>my only observational negative comment, the road surface texture. if it were real, those bricks would be about 3 feet long. bricks do not fare well at that size, especially when used in roadways. other than that.. primo salsa bud smiley




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