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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Fri Mar 11th at 3:38am 2005

About time to start a forum thread.

RC1 of Raincheck is now available to a selective audience interested in giving it a go (Hopefully with bots, don't break the Source engine ) and offering comments/suggestions. (Why a selective audience, you ask? I'm doing it to mainly ensure it doesn't wind it's way over onto someone's server rotation at the current time, mainly becuase I don't want to have to have a bit of a 'petrol' fiasco again ;<)

If you're interested in looking at the map firsthand, feel free to contact me regarding it. Otherwise, you can view the new screenshots and await RC2 which should be available in the coming week or two, and will offer major performance fixes as opposed to this version which is fairly high in visual lag (and thus only suitable for bot-testing on a lower detail level.)



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Posted by ReNo on Fri Mar 11th at 3:50am 2005

I'm interested in giving it a run through, check your PM's
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Posted by Cassius on Fri Mar 11th at 4:41am 2005

The thin spotlights are an interesting and certainly original visual, but are most likely unrealistic.



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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Mon Mar 14th at 2:40pm 2005

I've just released RC2 to the public. Additions include some major overhaul to the visblocking, resulting in a faster map. If you want bot location names, wait until tonight, as I have not assembled them yet. The bot mesh is included, as well as all other content necessary.

Enjoy.



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Posted by habboi on Mon Mar 14th at 4:15pm 2005

Excellent looking map and i'm starting to get jealous of your mapping techniques

Keep up the good work and lets hope the same event for your other map does'nt happen with this one

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Posted by DrGlass on Mon Mar 14th at 9:40pm 2005

I just gave it a run through. Looks very nice, you did very well with your brush work and the lighting is fantastic. I really got a feeling of time and place, the enviroment really drew me in. You do need to optimize the map, I didn't take a look in wireframe but I think that if you add alot of your background into a skybox then it will work much better.

Also, you need to include the custome models you used, I also got a huge amount of red errors in console when I loaded the map (which took quite some time).

"ERROR!: Can't create physics object for models/props_wasteland/woodwall030b_window01a_bars.mdl
ERROR!: Can't create physics object for models/props_wasteland/woodwall030b_window01a_bars.mdl
ERROR!: Can't create physics object for models/props_rooftop/Sign_Letter02_Rus2002.mdl
ERROR!: Can't create physics object for models/props_rooftop/Sign_Letter02_Rus2002.mdl"


This and some other vent things looked a bit odd, I'd add some supports or remove it. just a little detail.


The truck in T spawn is off the ground by about 8 units. You should place your physic props closer to the ground, when new rounds start they all settle and it looks kinda strange, again just small details.


I dont like the long thin beams of light at all, I think you should tone it down quite a bit. These lights were by far the worst, a small glow maybe, but I dont think you would see anything like this in real life.


This just looked odd to me, can you make the green light less opaque? its a little too bold.


Lucky I didn't download fishy's models yet or I may have not caught this. include those models.


I personaly cant stand invisible walls, Right here just seems usless becuase there is a blocked door just 2 feet from it, but you need to think about how to block the player without 'cheating'. The clips in the outdoor area was a big pain, I'd move some train cars into the door ways and block the player that way.

I also had a problem with the CTs that were out side the CT spawn, its a cool idea, but if a Terrorist were to come out there it would just spook him, and it would confuse him when the CTs didn't die. I see where your going with it, but they arn't moving or really doing anything but adding extra polys to your map.

Over all your map looks and feels great, fix some of the small details and move as much background as you can into the skybox and this could be a great map.



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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Mar 14th at 10:13pm 2005

Just as I was thinking my boy... [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Mar 15th at 12:41am 2005

I had a run through and performance was a major issue. I had two versions of this map, and the one you said was the "improved" version seemed to run worse for me I'll try and do a critique tomorrow, as I've got a mate visiting at the moment so I just had a quick run around.
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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Tue Mar 15th at 5:33am 2005

Hrm...are you running significantly higher detail levels than your computer can handle? For I can run on my recommended settings (and slightly higher) and it runs at a playable speed for me. I get major slowdowns when I'm running 16x filtering/6xaa, as well as high shaders, textures and models, but that's sort of expected ;< - I'm not sure what you consider 'good' performance, too, so we could both have our own ideas about it.

Thanks for the comments, Dr Glass, as well. Those errors you're recieving are coming from my phys_override ents - For some reason the models don't settle well with prop_physics (some of the rooftop lettering and the window bars) and they don't like static either - Just slapped 'em on an override and they worked fine ;p

I'll fix the truck and include the models again when I recompile. I'll move the phys props again, too, thanks. I keep messing with my light beams but I can't seem to find something everyone likes smiley - I do want a beam coming from them (check some darker areas at rainfall and you'll often see a bit of a beam - Perhaps they should be shortened? Or just colored sprites? Not sure where to go with them.)

The green light is a decal, can't change it much - If it would be better, I can 'fix' one of the lights there to be flickering or something and casting enough light to mess with the green a bit.

The major problem I'm having with skyboxing everything is that A - I've already done all the displacements (Which don't like to be scaled) and B - I'm using copious amounts of props in my 'skybox' which cannot be scaled as well, unfortunately. I can shrink a few things but I don't think the gain in performance is worth it.

Unfortunately, the contest entries (I've found another to enter too ;o) are due shortly, so I'm trying to limit the amount of things to change unless they are severly impacting.



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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Mar 15th at 8:14am 2005

all good, I didn't think to fire it up with bots but I may go back and try it out.

I think the only big problem (for me) are the player clips.
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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 15th at 9:23am 2005

That light effect you have reminds me of something moving at high speeds at night, hence creating a light trail. I doubt anything is moving, but I may have to take not for any future speedy creations [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Mar 15th at 1:44pm 2005

Well I was getting around 10fps at some of the points, which I'm sure we both consider to be poor performance The settings I run at at currently UNDER the recommended for my computer, and all the default maps and most custom levels run nicely.

About the light trails, particularly those on the train, they really ought to be shortened. I like the trails and think they should stay, but they are hugely over the top at the moment. My flatmate popped into my room while I was running about and he also thought it looked a bit daft as is. Would be a neat effect if the train was moving, but as is its just too extreme.
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Posted by LilTortillaBoy on Thu Mar 17th at 10:55pm 2005

Very pretty map, only problem I had is the new models you put in just appear as the error thing. I love the thin spotlight effect even though it is very unrealistic. Framerates for me were horrible though, especially in the train yard, I dont think the rain helped much either. Played it a few times with 6 bots and it was pretty fun, only thing that killed it for me is the framerates and I have a decent computer. 1.2GHz, 512 mb ram and Nvidia GeForce FX 5200. I havent played alot of cs source so maybe I just have my settings to high.




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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Fri Mar 18th at 5:18pm 2005

'beams are fixed - shortened and widened.

I'm tweaking the outer area - I'm considering transforming it or part of it into an indoor-sy area so it's a bit brighter as well, not to mention it'll save me some FPS too. I'll get it done by April 1st since the compos end then ;<



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Posted by RabidMonkey777 on Fri Apr 8th at 3:05am 2005

Final's been out for a bit, but the map hasn't been updated here since the downtime and all. It is now ;D



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Posted by satchmo on Thu Feb 24th at 11:27pm 2005

What can I say? Rabid did it again. <br> <br>The ambiance is just...cinematic. I feel like I am watching still frames of a movie. And I noticed that the redline no-parking curb problem has been fixed. smiley <br> <br>The point_spotlights from those lamps in screen4 look very thin and long. I think they would look better if the ray of light doesn't extend so far. <br> <br>Lastly, I love the rain. I think it's the first map I've seen that has incorporated the rain effect so well into the map.



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Posted by parakeet on Thu Feb 24th at 11:49pm 2005

Lol i had the same idea in an oriental map that im working on... only it looks like half as nice = p. I especially liked the first pic ;D nj and i hope i see this in a server sometime soon. T_T its so much better than mine. Very good dynamic lighting, it fits the rain.



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Posted by mike-o on Fri Feb 25th at 2:26am 2005

Those are some skinny light beams.



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Posted by ReNo on Fri Feb 25th at 9:18am 2005

As Mike said those spotlights look too skinny - I'm noticing you have quite a fetish for them like that smiley Looking really nice though, look forward to taking a closer look smiley



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Posted by Trapt on Fri Feb 25th at 11:11am 2005

Played through it. The inside could be a tad more detailed, but the outdoors is just stunning. <br> <br>Site B blew me away: It was just amazing. Rain has been incorperated very well indeed. The light beams aren't as thin as they seem in the screenshot, but I do agree they need to be either made wider, or shorter. <br> <br>The events that happen when the bomb goes off are very nifty, and well thought out. <br> <br>Now, you're next project is to make a map which is crappy PC (like mine) friendly. smiley




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