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Posted by Sparky911 on Fri Apr 7th at 1:41pm 2006

I know its another small fy map. This is a map I used to play in HLDM 1 and enjoyed so much that I made a CS 1.6 version of it. Now I am porting it to Source and learning as I go with the new mapping goodies. Right now it looks like nothing but Im hoping to make it more realistic looking as I go which is why I posted it here in The SnarkPit. I have always had positive feedback from the people here in how to improve my work. So please state your opinions on how I can make this better as I update more in this thread and my screenshots. One thing Im not happy with yet is the lighting in the one room. I am happy with the sky finally (I used jungle with the recommended sun angles). I also need to do a 3D skybox so it doesn't look like a floating box level in the middle of nowhere.



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Posted by G.Ballblue on Fri Apr 7th at 4:24pm 2006

Well adding a 3D skybox would definitely help :P And I would also recommend making the grass terrain into a displacement map, since that would help too.

It also appears to be a fairly open map -- not necessarily a bad thing, but it needs some cover. The only things that there are to hide behind are the walls.

You may also be able to make it more interesting looking by changing the environment light angle, adding a sun entity if you don't already have one, and also consider adding some "junk" (barrels, broken bottles, trash, etc) since these always make things more interesting, at least from what I've seen.




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Posted by reaper47 on Fri Apr 7th at 10:34pm 2006

Well, I've never been a fan of fy maps. At least I don't think it makes sense to spend a lot of time in detailing those as they are purely a, well, "fun" experiment.

I'd say the main problem, visually, is that it still looks like a HL1 map. Flat buildings, no borders/details ect. Prop_statics and a skybox with some buildings in it could help. The CS theme and textures are all about realism but it's hard to get that layout to look "real". Maybe a wartorn building.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Sat Apr 8th at 12:21am 2006

Great Ideas! I do plan on adding more stuff or "junk" like barrels and things like cars so on and so on. This is just the start (and a lengthy one I might add) I do plan on making displacements with the grassy area as well. as for buildings being flat Im hoping adding some more junk near them will help them look a little less flat. The railing are prop_statics lol <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I will get to work right away. What about the lights inside that one building? They look to tacky?



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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Apr 8th at 1:12am 2006

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as for buildings being flat Im hoping adding some more junk near them will help them look a little less flat.


Bad idea, IMHO. Junk can add detail but you have to use brush geometry and lighting (!) to make the architecture look any intersting. Try borders, non-rightangled walls, wall columns ect. Add different lighting with shades of yellow(warm) and blue(cold). Get photos of places that look cool and moody and copy bits of architecture.

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What about the lights inside that one building? They look to tacky?


I could be mean now and say the inside looks like Wolfenstein 3D... The old Wolfenstein 3D.

sry, but the extreme (floor texture for the ceiling) texture choices make the "flatness" of the walls omnipresent. The layout is completely right-angeled too.

Updating all this to a decent looking Source engine map will be a lot of work and requires to completely overthink the architecture. I think it will be hard to just "add on" what's there.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Sat Apr 8th at 4:19am 2006

I understand what you are saying. Just playing around and glad you guys are throwing ideas at me. I am not much of an artist yet so flat walls happen alot with me <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> I just added an oak tree model in the middle of it and it looks very cool. Helps provide cover and gives any snipers a bit of a challenge. I agree the floor texture on the ceiling is tacky. Dunno what to do there <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> Im coming up with ideas as I go and you guys are helping too.



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Posted by Mr.INSANE on Sat Apr 8th at 6:00am 2006

Not to bad as a matter of fact i like it except that the lighting could be better><and a 3d skybox would help




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Posted by Captain P on Sat Apr 8th at 8:14am 2006

I agree with the above comments - it's too 90-degreed, lacks detail and interesting lighting.

However, before putting in detail at random, consider the theme of the map. What is this supposed to become? Some sort of castle or such? If you can think up on a nice theme, it'll definitely help you creating your architecture and details more accurately.

As for that floor, it's not the floor alone - the room is awfully cubic, which feels unnatural with the chosen textures. I'd work on that first, then make the floor more interesting. You could use tapestry for that or some other stuff. Adding support pillars could also work well.
Talk about throwing in some architectural logic and breaking up long boring surfaces in the same go. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">


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Posted by Sparky911 on Sun Apr 9th at 12:37am 2006

A theme huh? That sounds like a good idea. Originally the map was based on nothing. It was just a yard to have caos in for Half-Life Deathmatch that another author created. I as well as my clan liked the map so much that when we moved over to CS we made a CS version. Now we moved over to Source and we want to see it there too.

Don't know just yet as to waht Im going to base a yard like this on. Hmmm...
Most fy_maps don't really have a theme. But now Im brainstorming ideas for a next map <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by Sparky911 on Sat Apr 15th at 2:14am 2006

I changed a bit outside, used the skin of the tree that has some leaves on it. Felt it looked a bit better. Used a little displacements to raise the ground a bit around the tree's roots. CHanged that dull looking room a bit. Added some shelves and placed the guns on them. Added some crates and finally got some lights that I got to work well with the scene.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 15th at 2:21am 2006

I tend to avoid commenting on CS maps unless I am solicited to do so but... I have noticed that "FY" maps tend to be very simplistic. This map seems to be a bit more than simple.

My compliments for breaking the mold.

Note: If my observations are erroneous.. Oh well, this map looks decent for any map class.





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Posted by Juim on Sat Apr 15th at 4:15am 2006

This looks like an old familiar HL1 map, I wish I could remember the name. A Courtyard with two opposing structures on either side and a bunker in the middle. Anyone remember that map?. There were walkways along the walls, and I believe a second version came out where you could call in an air strike from the central bunker.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Sat Apr 15th at 4:59am 2006

Yes it would be the_yard for HLDM 1. One of my personal favorites. I liked it so much I made a CS 1.6 version that alot of my friends liked and now that we play Source together I am working on a Source version of it. Hats off to the original creator of the_yard for HLDM!



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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Apr 15th at 11:10am 2006

I must say I'm impressed how you improved the architecture from the original! That's the first fy map that I consider to look very decent, and with little work it could be even prettier.

The cellar now looks very good with the beams on the ceiling and the warmer lighting. The floor and walls are still a bit flat. Try to add one or two textures to them. What irritates me the most is the ladder. I don't really know why. Maybe because it looks too big and wide in proportion. Maybe if you tilt it a bit to seperate it from the (still) right-angled look of the room.

The outside now looks almost like a real place. Still think of a theme! You came this far and made a fy map look unusually good, so try to finish what you started. Some ideas: It looks a bit like a military building now. Maybe a prison, barracks ect. It could also be a weird industrial building like a factory producing handmade goods. Also try to break up that repetitive fence in the corner. It makes the map look more boxy than it is. Maybe a building in the back could help. Could be part of the skybox. This map, btw. absolutely needs a skybox. Try to fit it with the theme.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Tue Apr 18th at 1:27pm 2006

Ok I changed not only the ladder looks but the location as well. I moved onto the second floor and lighting is to co-operate with me a little more. Im mainly placing weapons, ammo, and props right now. As for a theme Im thinking something like a military armoury yard. For a background or 3d skybox Im not sure yet what Im going to use but as I build more ideas flow into my head. I plan to add an extension to the lower outside area that is not reachable by players. It will contain mainly detailing like APC's and such to help contribute to my armoury theme.



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Posted by Elon Yariv on Fri Apr 21st at 7:39pm 2006

There is one thing that really annoys me- There is not 3D skybox. The grey bottom doesn't look so good.


Elon Yariv



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Posted by Sparky911 on Mon Apr 24th at 7:40pm 2006

As I mentioned before it will be getting a 3D skybox and you might also notice the map is only 30% <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> Thanks for pointing that out though.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Mon May 22nd at 6:15pm 2006

A 3D skybox has been added. Its a little plain but serves the purpose I hope. Seeing as Im not much of an artist and I wasn't happy with the skybox models I just made it in a desert with some hills and I added a river or creek.

I have been playtesting it with my clan and have made some minor changes to it. I returned a ladder in the one room that I removed earlier. I also repaired some of my displacements that were making the textures look a little off in the game.

Just a little more play testing with my clan as I work on making sure the weapon placements are just right. A benifit of the weapon system I have going here is that players are stipped of their weapons at spawn therefore eliminating awp/auto sniper whores. All players spawn with a knife, kevlar, and a degale with 2 clips of ammo.





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Posted by ReNo on Mon May 22nd at 6:29pm 2006

Seems a bit conflicting that the map is set in a desert yet has a nice lot of grass and a tree in the courtyard - I'd consider reworking either the skybox or the courtyard to look more consistant.



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Posted by Sparky911 on Mon May 22nd at 6:33pm 2006

the 3D skybox has been made but don't think its a wise choice of texturing. Still a work in progress.




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