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Posted by elegyoficaros on Mon Oct 9th at 2:29am 2006

See the map profile for screens / info

It's kind of hard to capture a sense of the map with three screenshots, but here are a few of the major areas of the map. I've been working on this map since early in the summer. It kind of feels like it will never be done, but it's getting really close to the finish line. The only thing I can think of doing right now is adding env_soundscapes. Any suggestions, comments? Thanks a lot, snarkpit rules.



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Posted by $loth on Mon Oct 9th at 10:27am 2006

Holy s*it that's so nice!

What's the fps like in the first screen shot? The lighting fit's right in, a lovely glow.

In the third screenshot however, the walls repeat to much. Break them up somehow is what I would suggest.

I look forward to seeing this finished <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by reaper47 on Mon Oct 9th at 5:40pm 2006

Wow, this is quite wild mix of styles. I love the architecture of Petra but I don't quite see how you merged it with the rest of the map? Is this like a theme park of famous archeological places?

Anyway, tha map certainly works on the atmosphere part! <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

The third shot needs to get re-textured. They don't fit. Also the lighting is too bright.

First shot looks very cool and monumental but the rocks need to be tweaked they look 100% artificial. Try scaling up the texture resolution (yes, until it looks "unsharp" when you stand in front of it. It makes the repeating of the texture less apparent. The sand can go. And try making it much higher.

Good ideas, so far, but you need some tweaking to make them shine! <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> Keep it up.



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Posted by midkay on Tue Oct 10th at 3:55am 2006

Pretty much agree with the above, I just wanted to ask - are you sure you don't have a leak in the level? Something about the lighting seems off to me; dark areas are kinda too-dark (and not in just a high-contrast way, but like, it literally looks like no light is bouncing around, as is the case if you have a leak). In the first shot you can see that no light at all bounces back into the recessed area; it's pitch black in there. If you're sure there's no leak I'd suggest adding some more ambient light. Something about the lighting just seems off to me, though, and I'm betting it's a leak.


-- midkay



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Posted by Myrk- on Fri Oct 13th at 12:52am 2006

Needs models- theres plenty in CS for this theme. Just looks a bit plain. Also if it is meant to be roman/greek architecture then it is definitely plain.

Just compare the detail from yours to this.

Also your rockwork is pretty bad above the entrance thing- rough it up a tad and do some better texturing, looks alot like dust textures should be used.

Screenshot 3: No rails? Bit dangerous... Also theres actually a model for doing sun burst effect. Not sure where it is (maybe combine folder?). Also needs spicing up- maybe some statues or something. Just in the whole needs more models.




-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-



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Posted by elegyoficaros on Sat Oct 14th at 5:30am 2006

Thanks so much for the advice so far. I haven't had a ton of time since my last post to work on the map, but I thought i'd post some high res screens from a build of the map I had earlier this week that i was testing bots on. Any suggestions to any of the screenshots is greatly appreciated.

The temple complex is in concept a combination of the reconstruction of the sanctuary at Praeneste and Petra - though not necessarily direct copies.

$loth - The FPS is pretty steady throughout the entire map. I've been pretty careful about balancing amount of detail through the three func_areaportal areas on the map. The idea of breaking the walls up in slide 3 was great... here is the result:

http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo2.jpg

Reaper47 - Thanks for the suggestions... will try to work on that. And yeah, it's really hard to tell how the different areas of the map interconnect in those three shots, so I've uploaded an overview plan here:

http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo1.jpg

Midkay - Yeah, I've noticed that too. I've been adding some ambient lights into areas of really dark shade, though at certain levels i like the bright/dark contrast outside. There's no leak, as water and areaportals work, but what you might be describing is that the amphitheater seating is all func_details, and there's a deep box of world brushes under it to seal it. Some light might be soaking into there, but there isn't much i can do about it at this point.

Myrk - Good points. I'll definitely try to add some more models. That picture of Petra is really, really helpful. You've convinced me to make some custom textures for the temple facade with those courses and architectural details. And yeah, the big cliff face thing is by far the weakest part of the map. I will go back and try to polish it up.

So here are some more screens. Please take a look and post any reactions! Thanks a ton. I will keep you guys updated on the progress.

http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo1.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo2.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo3.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo4.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo5.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo6.jpg (featuring the most badass bot ever)
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo7.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo8.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo9.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo10.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo11.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo12.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo13.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo14.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo15.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo16.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo17.jpg
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollowallpaper.jpg/

edit - Sorry if the urls aren't links. I'm having trouble getting the BB code to work. You can just go to the http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/ directory and click through them like that



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Posted by Stadric on Sat Oct 14th at 10:13pm 2006

You're in desperate need of a skybox (see pic 9), and you have some texture mismatches, most notably the bricks in the arches of (I think) pic 7.
On the plus side, you've used lighting very well, it all fits, IMO.


Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying



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Posted by reaper47 on Sun Oct 15th at 9:10am 2006

The floor in pic 9 looks way to bright also. Looks like there are no shadows. Maybe try turning down the cubemap intensity?



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Posted by elegyoficaros on Sun Oct 15th at 7:03pm 2006

Okay, I'll try that.


That reminds me of a problem I'm having that I have no clue about. Across the whole map player's shadows are a bright blue/green color. You can see the problem here:
http://www.evanbatson.com/files/Apollo/deapollo15.jpg

Any idea how to fix that? I'm completely stumped.

<html><head><link rel="stylesheet" href="themes/standard.css" type="text/css"></head><body topmargin=2 leftmargin=2>



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Posted by Stadric on Sun Oct 15th at 7:14pm 2006

Are you using a shadow controller?


Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying



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Posted by elegyoficaros on Sun Oct 15th at 11:23pm 2006

Oh, no. That's probably why. Thanks



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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Oct 16th at 1:46am 2006

Done buildcubemaps on the map? Got any cubemaps in the level? Could do with some generic particle style haze.


-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-



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Posted by elegyoficaros on Thu Oct 19th at 6:18pm 2006

I've decided de_apollo is ready to see the light of day. Please download it and give it a look in-game. If you like it, I'd be really happy if you would share it with your friends. I don't know anyone with a CS:S server, so if you have a server and want to host my map, that would be awesome.

Info, screens, dl, etc -
http://evanbatson.com/projectdeapollo.html

Official beta thread -
http://www.evanbatson.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Direct download -
http://www.maps.evanbatson.com/de_apollo.zip 14.4 MB
http://www.maps.evanbatson.com/de_apollo.bsp 29 MB
sv_downloadurl maps.evanbatson.com




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Posted by elegyoficaros on Thu Oct 19th at 6:22pm 2006

I've decided de_apollo is ready to see the light of day. Please download it and give it a look in-game. If you like it, I'd be really happy if you would share it with your friends. I don't know anyone with a CS:S server, so if you have a server and want to host my map, that would be awesome.

Info, screens, dl, etc -
http://evanbatson.com/projectdeapollo.html

Official beta thread -
http://www.evanbatson.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Direct download -
http://www.maps.evanbatson.com/de_apollo.zip 14.4 MB
http://www.maps.evanbatson.com/de_apollo.bsp 29 MB
sv_downloadurl maps.evanbatson.com




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