Should be able to convert them into the new system, yeah!
Tags, nps!
Although I fear for anyone posting on a gaming site who doesn't know bbcode
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 8:29am 2009
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 8:29am 2009
The only thing I can find in the database is a rating value in the comments table, although this seems to be a value between 0 and 10.
Should be able to convert them into the new system, yeah!
Tags, nps!
Although I fear for anyone posting on a gaming site who doesn't know bbcode
Should be able to convert them into the new system, yeah!
Tags, nps!
Although I fear for anyone posting on a gaming site who doesn't know bbcode
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Posted by Le Chief on Wed Feb 11th at 8:52am 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Wed Feb 11th at 8:52am 2009
Holy crap there is a party going on in this thread. 
Anyway, I'm glad the snarkmarks feature is back, that was kind of a cool novelty. Larchy, do you think we could have a feature for the admins to reward snarkmarks for good behavior or whatever. If so, could you make it so that an automated pm is sent to you saying "admin x" has sent you 350 snarkmarks for "this reason".
The reason I asked this was back in the ol' version of Snarkpit in the older days, I spoke to gwil about having a competition where the winner is rewarded Snarkmarks just as a kinda cool extra thing. Like maybe a design an emoticon for Snarkpit comp or even a mapping comp and he said he couldn't do it because the code was a mess and he couldn't change anything.
Quoting "larchy"
Aaron and fishy are pwning everyone thanks to their forum spam 
Anyway, I'm glad the snarkmarks feature is back, that was kind of a cool novelty. Larchy, do you think we could have a feature for the admins to reward snarkmarks for good behavior or whatever. If so, could you make it so that an automated pm is sent to you saying "admin x" has sent you 350 snarkmarks for "this reason".
The reason I asked this was back in the ol' version of Snarkpit in the older days, I spoke to gwil about having a competition where the winner is rewarded Snarkmarks just as a kinda cool extra thing. Like maybe a design an emoticon for Snarkpit comp or even a mapping comp and he said he couldn't do it because the code was a mess and he couldn't change anything.
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 9:34am 2009
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 9:34am 2009
Yeah shouldn't be a problem
I mean, I'm trying to get a featureset complete because I want to get us moved over to this new site and I can see me spending forever adding endless stuff... which I don't mind, but some stuff I might leave until after we've done the changeover if that's ok.
But I was thinking... since we're gonna have the unlocks system with little icons/pictures etc... of something similar where you could get little pictures/icons that you could have added to your profile, like a trophy if you won a competition etc
Was also thinking about some other automated stuff we could have, like icons for having so many 4+ rated maps for instance. We could have a bunch of 'achievements' like that that get added to your profile like most games have these days.
I mean, I'm trying to get a featureset complete because I want to get us moved over to this new site and I can see me spending forever adding endless stuff... which I don't mind, but some stuff I might leave until after we've done the changeover if that's ok.
But I was thinking... since we're gonna have the unlocks system with little icons/pictures etc... of something similar where you could get little pictures/icons that you could have added to your profile, like a trophy if you won a competition etc
Was also thinking about some other automated stuff we could have, like icons for having so many 4+ rated maps for instance. We could have a bunch of 'achievements' like that that get added to your profile like most games have these days.
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 12:00pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Wed Feb 11th at 12:00pm 2009
Added some new toys to the super admin panel Riven 
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Posted by Riven on Wed Feb 11th at 9:37pm 2009
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Posted by Riven on Wed Feb 11th at 9:37pm 2009
The Achievement's idea could tie into that "hall of fame" idea I outlined earlier. -And then there could be a separate page under your control panel showing you which achievements are available and which one's you've accomplished.
I like the way L4D has formatted them:
Things to take note of: on your control panel You would get a page like above showcasing all the available achievements with icons and progress bars. Unachieved ones will be dulled grey, or given a "lock" icon. Achieved ones will be filtered to the top.
On your profile page, it will simply list the titles and maybe smaller icons of each of the achievements that you achieved. If members wanted to find out what each achievement was about, then they could visit their own achievement page. Each achievement gets you different amounts of snarkmarks, so it makes some achievements worth more than others and could possibly give newcomers an easy direct route to becoming regular members. The achievements would 'guide' them. They would read through them and find the ones that could be the easiest and do them with the unintentional side effect of them being actual proactive members on the site!
Of course, this should be a side project we worry about later. The main last things I'd like to see back on this beta site before we make the move would be the "question answered/unanswered/incorrect" feature in the editing forums. The old ratings retrofitted into the new system to give credit where credit is due. AND a Maps "menu page" to help show users all the games in the database all nicely formatted and stuff.
The achievements and such are *new* and can be added later, but the features I listed above should be fitted into the current form of the site before we introduce users to it!
Of course, it's all on your time, so you should find the things that are most practical to your schedule (and patience) first!
Man, larchy, did you have any idea what you thought you were getting yourself into when you signed up for this job?
NEW TOYS!
Oh man, WOW! those commands really show off how much nicer the new Pit has become over Lep's version. If only everyone could see it; Let me reassure everyone, this site is dynamic! We can pretty much change anything about whatever if we need to! Wow, thanks for that larchy! I'm sure it will come in handy one day!
I like the way L4D has formatted them:
Things to take note of: on your control panel You would get a page like above showcasing all the available achievements with icons and progress bars. Unachieved ones will be dulled grey, or given a "lock" icon. Achieved ones will be filtered to the top.
On your profile page, it will simply list the titles and maybe smaller icons of each of the achievements that you achieved. If members wanted to find out what each achievement was about, then they could visit their own achievement page. Each achievement gets you different amounts of snarkmarks, so it makes some achievements worth more than others and could possibly give newcomers an easy direct route to becoming regular members. The achievements would 'guide' them. They would read through them and find the ones that could be the easiest and do them with the unintentional side effect of them being actual proactive members on the site!
Of course, this should be a side project we worry about later. The main last things I'd like to see back on this beta site before we make the move would be the "question answered/unanswered/incorrect" feature in the editing forums. The old ratings retrofitted into the new system to give credit where credit is due. AND a Maps "menu page" to help show users all the games in the database all nicely formatted and stuff.
The achievements and such are *new* and can be added later, but the features I listed above should be fitted into the current form of the site before we introduce users to it!
Of course, it's all on your time, so you should find the things that are most practical to your schedule (and patience) first!
Man, larchy, did you have any idea what you thought you were getting yourself into when you signed up for this job?
NEW TOYS!
Oh man, WOW! those commands really show off how much nicer the new Pit has become over Lep's version. If only everyone could see it; Let me reassure everyone, this site is dynamic! We can pretty much change anything about whatever if we need to! Wow, thanks for that larchy! I'm sure it will come in handy one day!
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Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 1:58pm 2009
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 1:58pm 2009
Everything looks excellent (well, regarding looks I'm not a big fan of the white-to-black color gradients, but that's negligible). Amazing job, larchy.
My suggestion regarding PMs:
First, there should be a "send to" button in the main "private messages" tab. Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it. It seems the only way to send one is clicking on the icons next to a user name.
Secondly, shouldn't you be sent back to the "private messages" tab again after sending a message (instead to "control panel")?
Thirdly: A preview button, please.
Also:
" + ) shouldn't be turned into smiley...
My suggestion regarding PMs:
First, there should be a "send to" button in the main "private messages" tab. Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it. It seems the only way to send one is clicking on the icons next to a user name.
Secondly, shouldn't you be sent back to the "private messages" tab again after sending a message (instead to "control panel")?
Thirdly: A preview button, please.
Also:
" + ) shouldn't be turned into smiley...
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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 2:48pm 2009
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 2:48pm 2009
A few more things:
- - I don't like the idea of not being able to edit a post after 30 minutes. There are many good reasons why you should be able to do so (updating outdated information, links, fixing confusing errors, avoiding double-posts (such as this one) etc.). Identifying edited posts by a short warning (or maybe even archiving the originals) should be enough to avoid evil out-of-context edits.
- How about an "edit my map" button in map profiles for your own releases?
- In the four-thumbs list in the user's profile page, abandoned maps aren't identified as such in the overlays.
("A beta map by xxxxx" -> "An abandoned map by xxxxx" etc...)
- The "bbcode help" section is incomplete (how do I do lists correctly?
). Also I wouldn't make the link to the help look like a coding-button, but rather make it a short yellow text displayed between "Post New Reply" and the buttons, like " (view all smilies) " on the right of the post window. It's kinda hidden for something that should help you find...
Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 3:09pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 3:09pm 2009
The 30minute edit thing has come up a few times... it was only ever created because people asked for it after one user lost an argument he was having and went back and deleted all his embarrassing posts.
The setting can be changed to make it longer, or disabled altogether, in one of the admin panels... so I'll leave that one up to Riven
good spotting on the abandoned map thing! fixed.
Forum thingies fixed.
No idea how lists work (somewhat worrying since I coded the function that makes them
). Ask Riven - he's made some
The bbcode help thing sucks... probably needs rewriting altogether.
The setting can be changed to make it longer, or disabled altogether, in one of the admin panels... so I'll leave that one up to Riven
good spotting on the abandoned map thing! fixed.
Forum thingies fixed.
No idea how lists work (somewhat worrying since I coded the function that makes them
). Ask Riven - he's made some The bbcode help thing sucks... probably needs rewriting altogether.
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Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 3:25pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 3:25pm 2009
I've made a change when you edit a map - if you set it to 'abandoned' then the updated time won't change with the edit, so it won't then appear at the top of the maps page as a 'new' map.
At least that seems to work anyway - I knew something wouldn't be broke
At least that seems to work anyway - I knew something wouldn't be broke
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Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 5:00pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Thu Feb 12th at 5:00pm 2009
pm preview button added
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Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 5:42pm 2009
lol, and I felt embarrassed for not figuring it out by myself.
You're changing those things lightning-fast, larchy... I feel like I just posted about them - now everything already done!
One more little polishing thing: Could you add some indent to custom code boxes (quotes, code, etc.)? They kinda stick too much to the border, visually.
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Feb 12th at 5:42pm 2009
Quoting larchy
No idea how lists work (somewhat worrying since I coded the function that makes them ).
).lol, and I felt embarrassed for not figuring it out by myself.
You're changing those things lightning-fast, larchy... I feel like I just posted about them - now everything already done!
One more little polishing thing: Could you add some indent to custom code boxes (quotes, code, etc.)? They kinda stick too much to the border, visually.
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Posted by Riven on Fri Feb 13th at 7:32am 2009
Hah, he does that. Things are rolling here! When you've got larchy on the job you need no other!
to make a list, you can use the list tag button at the top to form the two [ list] & [ /list] tags and then place your separate bullets between them using the [ *] button at the top. for each [ *] you get one of these:
If you use the [ list=] tag instead, each [ *] is listed as a number in sequence. until you close it with the [ /list] tag. Like this:
Sure, we could remove the time limit, but I ask you to give it some time first. I think it just takes some getting used to. Having been using it for the past three or four months, I like knowing that the last post is the most up-to-date info, and not some post a page back someone edited. I might miss edited info and never know it. Double posts never bothered me. If I had to correct a mistake hours after making it, I can always copy + paste to re-iterate what I was originally talking about. The only problem I could see this causing is if anyone who was hosting a competition or similar, and wanted to keep the thread updated by using the first post, I think they should be able to edit that anytime they wanted with the "last edited XXXX" message appearing at the bottom of it. Same goes for links and whatnot. If you want to make a thread that you'd hope others could use for a resource, then by posting all the info in the first post, would allow you to update it and whatnot. subsequent posts after it are meant for discussion and should be *permanent* with amends later if the user made a mistake realization after the 30 min time marker. Forums are reflective of real-life discussions, and therefore, you shouldn't be able to re-write what you've said and screw the entire discussion over for anyone else who might be viewing it after the matter.
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Posted by Riven on Fri Feb 13th at 7:32am 2009
Quoting reaper47
You're changing those things lightning-fast, larchy
Hah, he does that. Things are rolling here! When you've got larchy on the job you need no other!
to make a list, you can use the list tag button at the top to form the two [ list] & [ /list] tags and then place your separate bullets between them using the [ *] button at the top. for each [ *] you get one of these:
If you use the [ list=] tag instead, each [ *] is listed as a number in sequence. until you close it with the [ /list] tag. Like this:
Quoting reaper47
- I don't like the idea of not being able to edit a post after 30 minutes. There are many good reasons why you should be able to do so (updating outdated information, links, fixing confusing errors, avoiding double-posts (such as this one) etc.). Identifying edited posts by a short warning (or maybe even archiving the originals) should be enough to avoid evil out-of-context edits.
Sure, we could remove the time limit, but I ask you to give it some time first. I think it just takes some getting used to. Having been using it for the past three or four months, I like knowing that the last post is the most up-to-date info, and not some post a page back someone edited. I might miss edited info and never know it. Double posts never bothered me. If I had to correct a mistake hours after making it, I can always copy + paste to re-iterate what I was originally talking about. The only problem I could see this causing is if anyone who was hosting a competition or similar, and wanted to keep the thread updated by using the first post, I think they should be able to edit that anytime they wanted with the "last edited XXXX" message appearing at the bottom of it. Same goes for links and whatnot. If you want to make a thread that you'd hope others could use for a resource, then by posting all the info in the first post, would allow you to update it and whatnot. subsequent posts after it are meant for discussion and should be *permanent* with amends later if the user made a mistake realization after the 30 min time marker. Forums are reflective of real-life discussions, and therefore, you shouldn't be able to re-write what you've said and screw the entire discussion over for anyone else who might be viewing it after the matter.
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Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by larchy on Fri Feb 13th at 8:33am 2009
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Posted by larchy on Fri Feb 13th at 8:33am 2009
I should also point out that the edit time does not apply to mods or higher.
I did have an idea that we could make removal of the edit limit an unlock once you get to so many snarkmarks?
I did have an idea that we could make removal of the edit limit an unlock once you get to so many snarkmarks?
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Posted by larchy on Fri Feb 13th at 11:31am 2009
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Posted by larchy on Fri Feb 13th at 11:31am 2009
Added country flags for England, Scotland, Wales and the EU, if anyone is feeling patriotic 
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Posted by RedWood on Sun Feb 15th at 10:27pm 2009
Posted by RedWood on Sun Feb 15th at 10:27pm 2009
Hello
I like the new fell of the site. It's a definite improvement over the old site.
Few things:
When browsing the maps section the text will pop up when u hover over it. witch is nice but if you click on it while hovering over the text are it wont click into the maps page. I'd like it if clicking on the text are also took u to the maps page.
My monitor is 1440x900. I'd like it, if possible, for the with of the pages to be dynamic so stretch to fit monitors better.
Your doing a fantastic job Larchy. I find it surprising you would do all this work for us considering you never really used the site before you came to help us out. Thank you.
I like the new fell of the site. It's a definite improvement over the old site.
Few things:
When browsing the maps section the text will pop up when u hover over it. witch is nice but if you click on it while hovering over the text are it wont click into the maps page. I'd like it if clicking on the text are also took u to the maps page.
My monitor is 1440x900. I'd like it, if possible, for the with of the pages to be dynamic so stretch to fit monitors better.
Your doing a fantastic job Larchy. I find it surprising you would do all this work for us considering you never really used the site before you came to help us out. Thank you.
Reality has become a commodity.
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Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 8:49am 2009
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Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 8:49am 2009
no worries
I'll take a look at the overlay link thing... you're probably right about that needing changed.
Unfortunately variable width is troublesome because it makes laying out content far more complex. This isn't an issue for text based pages like these forums where you can just make the element widths a percentage, but it definitely is for places like the front page and maps pages where the layout is built around images which can't just be dynamically resized. If you look around virtually all websites, certainly the major ones and those dealing with dynamic content, are all designed in this centre aligned fixed width fashion for these (and other) reasons.
It is a shame to restrict the width so much, but when I widened the width with the current globat theme people started complaining it was too wide (about 1200px I think?), which is why this new site has it's current narrower width.
I did think that wider layouts could be added as additional themes in the future though, so there'll probably be some fixed-width widescreen layouts added at some point
Thanks for the feedback
I'll take a look at the overlay link thing... you're probably right about that needing changed.
Unfortunately variable width is troublesome because it makes laying out content far more complex. This isn't an issue for text based pages like these forums where you can just make the element widths a percentage, but it definitely is for places like the front page and maps pages where the layout is built around images which can't just be dynamically resized. If you look around virtually all websites, certainly the major ones and those dealing with dynamic content, are all designed in this centre aligned fixed width fashion for these (and other) reasons.
It is a shame to restrict the width so much, but when I widened the width with the current globat theme people started complaining it was too wide (about 1200px I think?), which is why this new site has it's current narrower width.
I did think that wider layouts could be added as additional themes in the future though, so there'll probably be some fixed-width widescreen layouts added at some point
Thanks for the feedback
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Re: Snarkpit v6 Alpha - all visitors please read!
Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 2:59pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 2:59pm 2009
Overlay clikyness sorted
Cleaned up and improved the search results pages quite a bit!
Cleaned up and improved the search results pages quite a bit!
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Posted by reaper47 on Mon Feb 16th at 3:59pm 2009
It's no joy to read a too broad text window. Even if you don't notice it at first, there are many good reason to stick to a maximum width. You don't accidentally skip lines and you have to move your eyes less. It's the reason why big news papers arrange their text in columns rather than stretch it over the whole page. That's why all professional layouts do the same for websites.
Speaking of typography: This forum text needs an additional 0.1-0.2 pt line distance.
Posted by reaper47 on Mon Feb 16th at 3:59pm 2009
Quoting RedWood
My monitor is 1440x900. I'd like it, if possible, for the with of the pages to be dynamic so stretch to fit monitors better.
It's no joy to read a too broad text window. Even if you don't notice it at first, there are many good reason to stick to a maximum width. You don't accidentally skip lines and you have to move your eyes less. It's the reason why big news papers arrange their text in columns rather than stretch it over the whole page. That's why all professional layouts do the same for websites.
Speaking of typography: This forum text needs an additional 0.1-0.2 pt line distance.
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Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 4:18pm 2009
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Posted by larchy on Mon Feb 16th at 4:18pm 2009
How's that?
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Posted by Riven on Tue Feb 17th at 7:30am 2009
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Posted by Riven on Tue Feb 17th at 7:30am 2009
If you have time larchy, you should give a read to this currently active thread going on over at Interlopers. Basically, they're talking about adding a rating system to their maps and having top rated maps filtered for a "great maps" section that users could look through.
It makes me laugh because I know SnarkPit has had this feature for years before Interlopers was ever conceived of and yet it troubles me to wonder why they remain popular and our site has died out so much. Because for some reason, I think this site gained the reputation for being "elitist" back in the day and therefore not enthusiastic for new users. Which has always been a misconception unfortunately.
Their discussion did bring up a new point though. I know we have our rating system, and we will have 5 star-rated maps next to obvious "godly" maps that have had that much more time put into them, but our system has no way of showing the 'spectacular' maps. I was hoping as one of the features for a Map menu page would be a link or listing of hand-picked awesome maps and downloads on the pit. You'd have '5 star' rated items, and then you'd have 'outstanding' items (filtered out by people [admins] who know what users are talking about and have experienced the content themselves and are capable of making an informed decision about content that is 'extraordinary').
There is no reason why our site (after the switch) can't handle 100 plus active users like Interlopers or MapCore. We have all the cool features and knickknacks (plus some) like they do. (not to mention a very active web god continuing to support us!) Can anyone answer me why?
It makes me laugh because I know SnarkPit has had this feature for years before Interlopers was ever conceived of and yet it troubles me to wonder why they remain popular and our site has died out so much. Because for some reason, I think this site gained the reputation for being "elitist" back in the day and therefore not enthusiastic for new users. Which has always been a misconception unfortunately.
Their discussion did bring up a new point though. I know we have our rating system, and we will have 5 star-rated maps next to obvious "godly" maps that have had that much more time put into them, but our system has no way of showing the 'spectacular' maps. I was hoping as one of the features for a Map menu page would be a link or listing of hand-picked awesome maps and downloads on the pit. You'd have '5 star' rated items, and then you'd have 'outstanding' items (filtered out by people [admins] who know what users are talking about and have experienced the content themselves and are capable of making an informed decision about content that is 'extraordinary').
There is no reason why our site (after the switch) can't handle 100 plus active users like Interlopers or MapCore. We have all the cool features and knickknacks (plus some) like they do. (not to mention a very active web god continuing to support us!) Can anyone answer me why?
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