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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Your Dead on Fri Aug 6th at 9:06pm 2004

ok this if the problem after compiling the map and doing a play teat I go to this one area in the map and all the entities disappear. There aren't any errors on the compile list .... Does anyone have any ideas about this or have seen this error. If you would like the bsp to see what I'm talking about the map is called cellblock2. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Gorbachev on Fri Aug 6th at 11:32pm 2004

You have too many entities visible at some point in the map. You either aren't running a full VIS or you just plain have too many entities in view at one time. I get this problem with dod_belfort at any time I use less than full VIS. No VIS or fast VIS warrants this error almost constantly. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Sat Aug 7th at 12:09am 2004

Post your compile log anyway, you might be missing something.




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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sat Aug 7th at 3:51pm 2004

Breakable objects can give you this problem all the time. To many breakables, and they dissapear!

Strangely enough, breakables are very picky with about how many are in a map. If you tie them to some kind of scripted scenario, they tend to show up no matter what .

[addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Your Dead on Mon Aug 9th at 1:33am 2004

Here is the log file for this map...

hlcsg v2.5.3 rel (May 2 2001)
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (zoner@gearboxsoftware.com)
----- BEGIN hlcsg -----
Command line: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolshlcsg.exe "c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2"

-= Current hlcsg Settings =-
Name | Setting | Default
---------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]

noclip [ off ] [ off ]
onlyents [ off ] [ off ]
wadtextures [ on ] [ on ]
skyclip [ on ] [ on ]
hullfile [ None ] [ None ]
min surface area [ 0.500 ] [ 0.500 ]
brush union threshold [ 0.000 ] [ 0.000 ]

Wadinclude list :
[zhlt.wad]


entering c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2.map
CreateBrush:
(11.73 seconds)
SetModelCenters:
(0.00 seconds)
CSGBrush:
(4.78 seconds)
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifegearboxzeditor.wad
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifegearboxopfor.wad
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifevalvehalflife.wad
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifevalveliquids.wad
Embedding textures from WAD File [sierrahalf-lifegearboxzhlt.wad] into BSP
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifegearboxtfc2.wad
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifegearboxstorm.wad
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifegearboxmorbwad.wad
added 9 additional animating textures.
Texture usage is at 1.11 mb (of 4.00 mb MAX)
17.59 seconds elapsed

----- END hlcsg -----

hlbsp v2.5.3 rel (May 2 2001)
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (zoner@gearboxsoftware.com)
----- BEGIN hlbsp -----
Command line: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolshlbsp.exe "c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2"

-= Current hlbsp Settings =-
Name | Setting | Default
-------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]

noclip [ off ] [ off ]
nofill [ off ] [ off ]
notjunc [ off ] [ off ]
subdivide size [ 240 ] [ 240 ] (Min 64) (Max 240)
max node size [ 1024 ] [ 1024 ] (Min 64) (Max 4096)


BSP generation successful, writing portal file 'c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2.prt'
10.67 seconds elapsed

----- END hlbsp -----

hlvis v2.5.3 rel (May 2 2001)
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (zoner@gearboxsoftware.com)
----- BEGIN hlvis -----
Command line: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolshlvis.exe "c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2"-full

-= Current hlvis Settings =-
Name | Setting | Default
-------------------|-----------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]

fast vis [ off ] [ off ]
full vis [ on ] [ off ]


2193 portalleafs
6404 numportals
BasePortalVis:
(15.59 seconds)
LeafThread:
(2661.47 seconds)
average leafs visible: 414
g_visdatasize:280278 compressed from 603075
2677.31 seconds elapsed [44m 37s]

----- END hlvis -----

hlrad v2.5.3 rel (May 2 2001)
Based on Valve's version, modified with permission.
Submit detailed bug reports to (zoner@gearboxsoftware.com)
----- BEGIN hlrad -----
Command line: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolshlrad.exe "c:program filesvalve hammer editormapscellblock2"

-= Current hlrad Settings =-
Name | Setting | Default
--------------------|---------------------|-------------------------
threads [ 1 ] [ Varies ]
verbose [ off ] [ off ]
log [ on ] [ on ]
developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ]
chart [ off ] [ off ]
estimate [ off ] [ off ]
max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ]
priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ]

vismatrix algorithm [ Original ] [ Original ]
oversampling (-extra)[ off ] [ off ]
bounces [ 1 ] [ 1 ]
ambient light [ 0.000 0.000 0.000 ] [ 0.000 0.000 0.000 ]
maximum light [ 256.000 ] [ 256.000 ]
circus mode [ off ] [ off ]

smoothing threshold [ 50.000 ] [ 50.000 ]
direct threshold [ 25.000 ] [ 25.000 ]
direct light scale [ 2.000 ] [ 2.000 ]
coring threshold [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ]
patch interpolation [ on ] [ on ]

texscale [ on ] [ on ]
patch subdividing [ on ] [ on ]
chop value [ 64.000 ] [ 64.000 ]
texchop value [ 32.000 ] [ 32.000 ]

global fade [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ]
global falloff [ 2 ] [ 2 ]
global light scale [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ]
global gamma amount [ 0.500 ] [ 0.500 ]
global sky diffusion [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ]

opaque entities [ on ] [ on ]
sky lighting fix [ on ] [ on ]
incremental [ off ] [ off ]
dump [ off ] [ off ]


[Reading texlights from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']
[1 texlights parsed from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']

10608 faces
Create Patches : 59503 base patches
0 opaque faces
620899 square feet [89409536.00 square inches]
51 direct lights

BuildFacelights:
(49.61 seconds)
visibility matrix : 211.0 megs
BuildVisLeafs:
(412.55 seconds)
MakeScales:
(246.13 seconds)
SwapTransfers:
(98.30 seconds)
Transfer Lists : 112709668 transfers
Indices : 59927184 bytes
Data : 450838672 bytes
GatherLight:
(9.16 seconds)
FinalLightFace:
(7.31 seconds)
825.66 seconds elapsed [13m 45s]

----- END hlrad -----

[addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Gorbachev on Mon Aug 9th at 5:02am 2004

A good way to prevent this sometimes is combine all the entities in a single area of a single type into one entity. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Your Dead on Mon Aug 9th at 7:07am 2004

I know this sounds stupid but how and the hell do you do that and why would you put all your entities as one type? Is this a way to trouble shoot this problem? Is there and amount that you can not go over for entities? I even tried to move some of the entities to another location and this still occurs. Any other suggestions. Thanks Gor for the advise and I will try to accomplish this feat in front of me. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by ReNo on Mon Aug 9th at 7:10am 2004

He means combine the entities of the SAME TYPE into a single entity if they are near each other. For instance, you might have two func_walls near each other - in order to save an entity you could make both of these into a single func_wall. [addsig]



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Posted by fishy on Mon Aug 9th at 7:39am 2004

so say a you have a window with 4 seperate panes, and each pane is a func_wall.

hold down ctrl, which allows you to select multiple brushes, and click on each of the four panes. while they are all selected, hit the 'to entity' button. a pop-up box will appear, asking which entity to keep. choose any of them and hit 'ok'. you will have merged four entities to one.





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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by G.Ballblue on Mon Aug 9th at 3:15pm 2004

? posted by ReNo
He means combine the entities of the SAME TYPE into a single entity if they are near each other. For instance, you might have two func_walls near each other - in order to save an entity you could make both of these into a single func_wall.

HELL NO!

Well.. Okay. Sorry. I overacted :] I really don't know as far func_walls and other entities go, so tying them together might fix it : But DO NOT do that with func_breakables. If those are the visual problems. I have tons of expereince with them, and tying them together with this kind of visual problem just makes it worse.

Also: aRe YoU rUnNiNg In OpEn Gl ??? Opengl has the tendency to fix this sort of problem

[addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Mon Aug 9th at 5:00pm 2004

? quote:

[Reading texlights from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']
[1 texlights parsed from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']


Go to that folder and delete lights.rad. Then rename the file valve.rad to lights.rad Now you'll have working texture lights.




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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by G.Ballblue on Mon Aug 9th at 8:29pm 2004

? posted by Alien_Sniper
? quote:

[Reading texlights from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']
[1 texlights parsed from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']


Go to that folder and delete lights.rad. Then rename the file valve.rad to lights.rad Now you'll have working texture lights.

Or you could just change to the valve.rad

[addsig]



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Posted by fishy on Mon Aug 9th at 8:46pm 2004

? posted by G.Ballblue

Or you could just change to the valve.rad

change what where?





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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by ReNo on Mon Aug 9th at 11:45pm 2004

Change the specified .rad file used by RAD in the compile process. By default it uses lights.rad, but if you use the command "-lights <path>/valve.rad" then it will use that instead. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Your Dead on Tue Aug 10th at 5:33am 2004

Thank you all for the help i will try this and let you know what occurs. You have all been very helpful and thank you very much.

[addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Your Dead on Tue Aug 10th at 9:10pm 2004

Thak you it worked I made all the entites one and fixed my breakable glass and the error message is gone. Thank you so much now maybe we can make this a tut. [addsig]



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 Re: too many entities visible pack list
Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Aug 11th at 4:29am 2004

Obviously grouping breakables would produce an odd effect, but same with some other stand-alone entities. This is a learning experience and experimentation/discretion can be a great tool towards truly understanding what you're doing both mapping and engine-wise. [addsig]




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