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Posted by G4MER on Mon Nov 3rd at 12:48am 2003

I have the Full Version of CounterStrike, and not Half Life. Can that hender my compile?

Wild Card sent me a cool program I had never used ( I always used the Hammer 3.4 with ZTools ) called HLCC, and man its pretty cool, I can see what its doing.

I was looking around and found what is said to be the newest HLCC, but now called TBCC, and its pretty cool.. I just need to figure it out..

What do you all use? And why?

($)

P.S. What does a FGD do? I see there is a new one for download.. for HL.. should I have this?

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Posted by fishy on Mon Nov 3rd at 1:21am 2003

it makes no difference to the compiler (hammer included) if you have an hl installation or not.

i seem to be back with hammer. i used hlcc for a while. i dont really know why i stopped. it could be that i dont compile too often, and i forgot about it. but from what i remember, the error reporting in hlcc was a bit better than hammer.

the fgd is the file that has all the entity info in it. without it, your entity menu would be empty. each mod has its own fgd, with it's own set of entities.

it's always a good idea to have the most recent version. the one you mention is probably the one (dont know the number offhand) that allows model previews in hammer3.5 beta. dunno if it does anything else though.





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Posted by Gorbachev on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:06am 2003

I use Nemesis' batch compiler. In my opinion it's loads better than TBCC, looks nicer and has more options. It also has a nice GUI and doesn't look like some geocities .gif-a-thon. And about hammer, if I were you I'd use a combination of 3.4 and 3.5. Using 3.5 for most of your mapping, and 3.4 for some of the angles and settings of entities (just a bit easier right now since 3.5 is only a beta). [addsig]



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Posted by Sinner_D on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:50am 2003

i myself use a custom batch compiler that i wrote myself makes for easy compiling, simple drag and drop

P.S. money, it really doesnt matter if you have HL installed or not, its suggested as if your mapping for HL to have it installed for testing purposes of course, but other then that, all you need is the HL(or any other mods) fgd file, and any wanted wad files inorder to map for such mod.

the fgd file, as far as i know, keeps all the information regaurding your entity properties and such. a newer version would most-likely have new entities, or new entity property settings, but if you have the hl expert fgd file, your pretty much set.

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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Mon Nov 3rd at 5:46am 2003

Hammer 3.4 and Merl's build of Zoner's compile tools 2.5.3.

HLCC has nothing I can't accomplish myself with a couple command line switches.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Mon Nov 3rd at 6:00am 2003

You know, to be perfectly honest, I run either through VHE or manually through a command prompt. *shrug* I run overnight compiles quickly from VHE so I can just start and forget, and if I want to actually monitor something I'll toss them in a command prompt and keep it off to the side while I do other work. Why use a third party program when my current method works and the end compile ends up the same anyway? [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Nov 3rd at 8:44am 2003

general guideline:

HLCC for new mappers, its just to user friendly not to.

TBCC is crap.

batch files for more experienced mappers.

do whatever works for you...

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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Mon Nov 3rd at 8:55am 2003

Hammer/Merls [addsig]



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Posted by Gollum on Mon Nov 3rd at 10:05am 2003

I use my own set of batch files - I export to the same filename every time, and then just double-click on one of the preset batch files [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Mon Nov 3rd at 11:34am 2003

? quote:
Show off your beta or completed maps here

And this is relevant how..? Moved... again.. this is getting annoying.





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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Mon Nov 3rd at 3:56pm 2003

? posted by Leperous

? quote:
Show off your beta or completed maps here

And this is relevant how..? Moved... again.. this is getting annoying.

...What?

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:04pm 2003

? posted by Hornpipe2
? posted by Leperous

? quote:
Show off your beta or completed maps here

And this is relevant how..? Moved... again.. this is getting annoying.

...What?

you need to be here a while to comprehend, its a quote from the map forum, telling you whats proper content to the area..

only maps belong in map, editing belongs here, compiler questions qualify as editing.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:12pm 2003

Long story short, this thread got moved from the maps forum. [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:43pm 2003

HLCC is good for newbies, but it simply doesn't have the options available to make the best use of Merls / Cageys compile tools. I went on to use my own set of batch compile tools like Gollum in order to get access to the other options, but lately I've been using Nem's frontend. Its nice and simple, well laid out, and gives access to all the commands in any compile tools provided you use the right config files.

Someday I plan to make my own just as an experiment, perhaps for coursework for one of my programming modules this semester.

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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Mon Nov 3rd at 4:46pm 2003

I also use Nem's compile thingy - though I should probably get the newer version as i've been running the same version for about a year or so now. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Nov 3rd at 5:01pm 2003

i still use HLCC faithfully, for fast to moderate compiles, and a batch file for my last compile before i release ( to use all the bells and whistles reno mentioned)

HLCC will never let you down, its old tho, so don't expect it to make you wet yourself

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Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Nov 4th at 1:49am 2003

Nem's is a pimped out version of HLCC Orph...it IS a frontend, you aren't writing the batch files yourself. You can if you wish...but this is just as simple, looks nicer and has more options. Try it sometime. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Nov 4th at 2:14am 2003

? posted by Gorbachev
Nem's is a pimped out version of HLCC Orph...it IS a frontend, you aren't writing the batch files yourself. You can if you wish...but this is just as simple, looks nicer and has more options. Try it sometime.

write a tutorial just like mine and we'll see..

the difference IMO is, mine is easy and has a tutorial

if you can do that, i will pimp yours just as much..

my compiling days are numbered.. i don't even know if HLCC is compatible with HL2, but i do know that F9 works the same, so it all depends on if my computer can handle the workload needed to use F9.

i had another bad thought today, after seeing the new editor, i wonder if QuArk will have a new version so that people familiar with it will be able to map???

it sure would suck for them to have to learn VHE at this late stage

has anyone heard if QuArk has said anything?

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Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Nov 4th at 3:57am 2003

Why write a tutorial when Nem has already done so? [addsig]



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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Tue Nov 4th at 4:14am 2003

I use Nemesis Compile-thing. I'm far too busy to bother with command lines or actually making the .bat myself! [addsig]




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