well, to be honest, i suppose it did.....and im not gonna sit here and tell you i havent tried this feat of daring before, with really crappy consequenses....ie, froze after about 30 seconds....
but in this case, im thinking thie "pissy point' comes from a different reason....trust me on that one guys.... 
....and i really do NOT want this tremendously helpful thread to go south...hell, ive learned quite a bit from this one indeed....hell, i didnt even know mikee was a regular contributor to verc collective till i started my foray into this problem.....so i will abstain from any further deliberation on THAT aspect of it.....
anyway.....maybe we can turn this into the...."all the little secrets about compiling out of the ordinary, but were afraid to ask" thread..... 
yep...in all its glory, unless you become very wordy and technical and as fun to read as a wet fart, the english language can at times, well......suck bigtime. i am however grateful to my "pit brethren" for all their input...it is absolutely invaluable to me....if ya ever have any questions on autocad, or wanna build a house and some aspect is buggin' you.....gimme a holler....thats MY field of expertise......
damn i love this s**t....so....so.....cerebrally stimulating....***reaches for aspirin....
Doc Brass...
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