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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 5:29pm 2003


Pictures will explain this better than words:

And in VHE:

Any ideas?

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Forceflow on Fri Dec 5th at 5:32pm 2003


did you run a full VIS ? Any leak reports ?





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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 5:33pm 2003



** Executing...
** Command: Change Directory
** Parameters: C:SierraHalf-Life


** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:Documents and SettingsMattMy Documentsmappingmap.map" "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap.map"


** Executing...
** Command: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolsqcsg.exe
** Parameters: "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap"

qcsg.exe v2.8 (Jan 31 2000)
---- qcsg ----
entering C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap.map
CreateBrush: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...Entity 0, Brush 74: A 'Unknown Class' @(0,0,0) has a coplanar plane at (52, -162, 12), texture AAATRIGGER
8...9... (0)
CSGBrush: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9... (0)
Using WAD File: sierrahalf-lifevalvehalflife.wad
added 3 additional animating textures.
0 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolsqbsp2.exe
** Parameters: "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap"

qbsp2.exe v2.2 (Dec 28 1998)
---- qbsp2 ----
LEAK LEAK LEAK
1 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolsvis.exe
** Parameters: "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap"

vis.exe v1.3 (Dec 30 1998)
---- vis ----
1 thread(s)
LoadPortals: couldn't read C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap.prt
No vising performed.

** Executing...
** Command: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolsqrad.exe
** Parameters: "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap"

qrad.exe v 1.5 (Apr 6 2000)
----- Radiosity ----
1 threads
[Reading texlights from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']
[1 texlights parsed from 'C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolslights.rad']

No vis information, direct lighting only.
649 faces
26335 square feet [3792329.50 square inches]
2419 patches after subdivision
6 direct lights
BuildFacelights: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9... (1)
FinalLightFace: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9... (0)

Object names Objects/Maxobjs Memory / Maxmem Fullness
------------ --------------- --------------- --------
models 4/400 256/25600 ( 1.0%)
planes 1550/32767 31000/655340 ( 4.7%)
vertexes 959/65535 11508/786420 ( 1.5%)
nodes 365/32767 8760/786408 ( 1.1%)
texinfos 108/8192 4320/327680 ( 1.3%)
faces 649/65535 12980/1310700 ( 1.0%)
clipnodes 644/32767 5152/262136 ( 2.0%)
leaves 204/8192 5712/229376 ( 2.5%)
marksurfaces 836/65535 1672/131070 ( 1.3%)
surfedges 3147/512000 12588/2048000 ( 0.6%)
edges 1668/256000 6672/1024000 ( 0.7%)
texdata [variable] 1192/2097152 ( 0.1%)
lightdata [variable] 61293/2097152 ( 2.9%)
visdata [variable] 0/2097152 ( 0.0%)
entdata [variable] 1170/131072 ( 0.9%)
=== Total BSP file data space used: 164275 bytes ===
1 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:SierraHALF-L~1hl.exe
** Parameters: -dev -console +map "map"

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Forceflow on Fri Dec 5th at 5:34pm 2003


? posted by matt

qbsp2.exe v2.2 (Dec 28 1998)
---- qbsp2 ----
LEAK LEAK LEAK
1 seconds elapsed

couldn't read C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap.prt
No vising performed.

** Executing...
** Command: C:PROGRA~1VALVEH~1toolsqrad.exe
** Parameters: "C:SierraHalf-Lifevalvemapsmap"

No vis information, direct lighting only.
** Executing...
** Command: C:SierraHALF-L~1hl.exe
** Parameters: -dev -console +map "map"

What about these parts ...

Those textures you'r trying to get there (cool idea, btw) are light textures ... Whenever a leak or a problem is detected, the light will not get to your map ... just no compiling of the light ...





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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Neural Scan on Fri Dec 5th at 5:37pm 2003


Could be a Hall of Mirrors, but the pic is a bit dark so I can't see. Is there any wierd stuff going on in that blackness or has that brush just disappeared?

Oooh and look what I just found in your log:

CreateBrush: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...Entity 0, Brush 74: A 'Unknown Class' @(0,0,0) has a coplanar plane at (52, -162, 12), texture AAATRIGGER

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 5:46pm 2003


Just replcaed the textures, to see if it was the texture, but:

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Neural Scan on Fri Dec 5th at 5:50pm 2003


You got a leak and something wierd with a solid with the AAAtrigger texture. Fix those first, then see. Check that brush for problems also. [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 5:55pm 2003


Tried it, but the more i find and delte brush 74, the less map i have! (Perhaps I'm not doing this right?) [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Neural Scan on Fri Dec 5th at 6:02pm 2003


I think it's better to wait for someone who knows what they're doing, I'm lost now [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 6:06pm 2003


Me2! [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Forceflow on Fri Dec 5th at 6:11pm 2003


Check this tut: (a couple of error messages you had in your report are explained there:)

http://www.snarkpit.com/editing.php?page=tutorials&id=2





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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Fri Dec 5th at 6:31pm 2003


That just makes no sense whatsoever... [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Dec 5th at 7:50pm 2003


I see 2 problems.

a. coplanar plane

b. leak

both of these things need to be fixed before anything else can be done. first of GET ZONER'S COMPILE TOOLS. Honestly, you have been around here a while. there is a very good reason why we recomend these tools. primarily they have very good easy to understand error reporting.

Problem a

a coplanr plane is a brush that has too many verticies in a plane. for instance, if you look at a cube in vertex manipulation mode, it should show you eight vertecies, one for each corner. an example of a coplanar plane is if that cube had ten verticies, with two of them in the same plane with four others. the example below is a two demensional illistration. you do not have to delete a brush with coplanar planes. just vertex manipulate the offending vertices so that they are no longer coplanar with the others, or merge them with the others to go back to a propper cube with only 8 verticies.

A good square

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A coplanar square

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Problem b.

there are many ways to find leaks. first, try looking around in hammer for any holes in your map. next load the pointfile in game (after fixing that coplanar plane) and fallow it to the source of the leak ( cmd = "pointfile 1")

finaly, if all else fails, start a process of elimination where you use a big cube of sky brush to cover whole sections of your map, and then compiling to see if the leak is gone. this way you can localize the area of the leak to that which you covered in the sky brush.

oh, and GET ZONER's TOOLS!!

Emphasis added by CCS

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by fishy on Sat Dec 6th at 4:52am 2003


tb, there are 8 vertices on a cube.

but i totaly agree with the red bit.





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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Dec 6th at 6:14am 2003


Doh! final exams are screwing with my head.



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by mazemaster on Sat Dec 6th at 9:28am 2003


If the angle on the inner thing is not 45 degrees then the brush is most likely invalid. Look at the face - it probably is skew.





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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Dec 6th at 11:03am 2003


may be my imagination but, matt has been told more than once about zoners tools, and if i recall he stated that he got them, now IMO anyone who can't do that, doesn't want our help.. maybe we should grant his request and ignore his halfhearted pleas? [addsig]



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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by matt on Sat Dec 6th at 11:08am 2003


? posted by Orpheus
may be my imagination but, matt has been told more than once about zoners tools, and if i recall he stated that he got them...

Is there some law saying I have to use Zoners? I stopped using them cos non of my maps would ever compile propery with it. Zoners attitude is that every single thing in the map has to be perfect. Finding leask with zoners is pain anyway, because half the time there impossible to find!

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Dec 6th at 11:30am 2003


? posted by matt
? posted by Orpheus
may be my imagination but, matt has been told more than once about zoners tools, and if i recall he stated that he got them...

Is there some law saying I have to use Zoners? I stopped using them cos non of my maps would ever compile propery with it. Zoners attitude is that every single thing in the map has to be perfect. Finding leask with zoners is pain anyway, because half the time there impossible to find!

you know, you posted this question and answered it in the same paragraph, as i read it, the answer is emphatically "YES"

zoners forces people to map correctly, listen to them, in the end you will benefit more.

my advice, stop making leaks if you don't want to have to look for them.

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Re: Another weird problem
Posted by Forceflow on Sat Dec 6th at 4:48pm 2003


Myeah, if you really take a good look at how both compilers do their job ... zoner's tools are just waaaay more efficient ...




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