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Posted by Leperous on Tue Feb 17th at 1:20am 2004

Pah, go draw some Julia sets (fractals) instead



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Posted by Dr Brasso-Kona- on Tue Feb 17th at 2:56am 2004

not to be a s**t, but it doesnt much seem like "art" to me....hmm

Doc Brass...

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Posted by nooba on Tue Feb 17th at 3:18am 2004

Most fascinating... I like http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/matt/flash/new.swf best





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Posted by Cassius on Tue Feb 17th at 5:44am 2004

Nonsense Doc... these days anything you can crap out onto a canvas is considered 'beautiful' and 'meaningful', to give 'perspective on the world' to the 'open minded' (not to say that has anything with these), which of course gives birth to the beautiful quote from Full Metal Jacket, "You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece."

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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 5:58am 2004

This is rather related to both Brasso and Cass's posts.

Not really, but I'll tell it anyway.

Last term at PSU (one of the universities I attend) there was some guy making "art".

this was his process (on an imac):
1. Use program that randomly generates 2 hours of video and audio based on mathmatical equations . . . keep in mind he doesn't know the equations, he selects them from a list and goes "wonder what this does"

2. Watches the video, takes a large (200Mb) screenshot of a particular point of interest (which mostly looks like swirls of paint).

3. Messes with it Photoshop (In other words he slaps a bunch of filters on the thing and uses the smudge tool sometimes)

4. prints it on a canvas with an expensive printer

5. charges $500 for a print.

6. I kick him in the nuts because he's a asshole who thinks he's "clever", seriously, talk to him.

I tried carrying a conversation on with him, but it was going nowhere. He kept going back to how he used Quicktime to make an interactive movie . . . .

I then asked him (because he said he used math equations prior to this, nothing more) if he wrote in the equations. . . at least then he'd be doing something. But no, he selects them off a list . . .
He also smelt like a monkey . . . a monkey past its prime. [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Feb 17th at 6:04am 2004

Sounds like a techno Jackson Pollock. at least pollock had significant skill though. he created true fractles by hand! none of his immitators have acheived that.

On the other hand, if this guy uses mathamatics to generate his "art" he probably is making fractals, just without any skill involved.

Have you ever been to the Sylvania campus of PCC Crono? there is random "art" everywhere. it's absolutly hideous.

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Posted by Cassius on Tue Feb 17th at 7:18am 2004

? posted by Crono

"imac"

"he's a asshole who thinks he's "clever""

Those two go together.

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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 7:36am 2004

Oh God I know. I had a class there last semester. But believe me, Tracer, PSU's Neuberger Hall, third floor is worse. Oh my God, how do these people consider themselves artists??? There are poor painting murals on the walls and such. It wouldn't be so bad if the people who did them actually knew how to pain (it shows in the finished product).

I mean, it looks like they tried to make people correctly proportionate, but were just bad at it, because it's too recognizable to be abstract.

Sadly, I have to go to both PCC and PSU . . . damn PSU full Physics classes. Although I must say, Tech. Writing (required for my major) is easy as hell through PCC, online anyway. I have better writing skills then the guy who teaches the class, well that's how it seems anyway taking that his emails are hard to decipher.

The only thing cool about Sylvania is the structure. . .but what the f**k is up with the parking lots?? There not next to the buildings you need to go to. And, for some reason, parking lot 14 and 1 (even though you can see them from each other) aren't connected with a road . . .

f**k you PCC lol.

Although, the parking is cheap. (PSU is astronomical, it's cheaper to use a meter).

Anyway, no one else has any idea what the hell we're talking about lol. [addsig]



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Feb 17th at 8:38am 2004

have you gentlemen ever had the pleasure of standing in front of a no s**t picasso, or even better, a bona fide rembrandt?....if you are truly an art officionado (which im not, hell i cant even spell it ) then some of this stuff would jump out of your body in the form of a technicolor(TM) yawn...im thinking even picasso, the earless, raving lunatic would have a s**tfit....now i dont intend any offense to anyone participating in this "endeavor", but to call it art? look, its mathematical generated line twisting, plain and simply, and a true craftsman would think it shameful....IMHO>>>> go to the sistine chapel in the vatican and look around.....THATS art....made my arm hair stand up.

Doc Brass...

let the games begin...





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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 8:53am 2004

I agree 100% Brasso.

Math isn't really art. although it can help in defining guides for the art . . . it isn't on it's own, at least not without human tweeking. I mean, unless you specifically did some mathmatical equation to do percily what you wanted, it's really not art, because the definition of the word is:

The production of something beautiful, skill or ability in such work.

Says the Oxford American Dictionary . . . whoa, something I didn't know is "art" is also the present tense of "be" used with the word thou.

Anyway, it needs to take some sort of skill to produce a prodcut of art. Techinically you can say this is art because it takes some sort of programming knowledge and flash knowledge (or OpenGL) so you can see the damn thing. And that could be considered an art . . . I guess.

Anyway, if you put in some functions or for loops, which is cheating, because all you're doing is plotting a line and rotating it. A function which does it on it's own would be more impresive, where you put in functions where you knew how they would turn out, that would be more impresive.


Oh well. Human art is much better anyway. Taking that normal entities/objects are much more complex then how they look on the outside.

I just realized I'm babbling, sorry lol.


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This has nothing to do with the for loop topic, but since there are other "artists" here (not that I'm one of them), have you ever used woodless pencils? oh man, they kick ass.
If you're wondering what they are: They're completly graphite about the same size as a normal pencil (little fatter). with a lacquer coat, so you don't get graphite all over yourself.

they, surprisingly, last longer then normal pencils, mainly because the graphite doesn't get broken by wood while sharpening and since the whole thing is graphite you don't have to sharpen as much as normal (but just as often, you're still using the same about of graphite.)

However, whenever I sharpen them I feel like I'm wasting it somehow, since I'm shaving off graphite lol. . .God I'm babbling again!

Sorry, anyway, to make it short, has anyone used them (other then me) ? If so, what did you think, from drawing with them of course (they're not too great for normal writting, even though there is an HB).
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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Feb 17th at 9:04am 2004

dude, that wasnt babbling...it was ..."crono-logical"......and well said at that...

Doc B...





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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 9:15am 2004

Ahem . . . Crono-Logical (TM) . . . lol

I have my own logic . . . why do people keep telling me this??

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Or I babble in one concise straight line of thought lol
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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Feb 17th at 9:19am 2004

behold, another original free thinker....glad to make yer aquaintance sir.......there are actually a few minds here that are VERY logical, but some that are....well, not....

Doc B...

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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 9:33am 2004

Like people who call Tech Support . . .

Greatest call of all time:
A guy calls his ISP tech support because his internet is not working:

Guy:
"Yeah, I'm finding it difficult to get online"

Tech:
"Okay sir, have you checked all the connections?"

Guy:
"Yeah, they're all securly plugged in, but the problem is I can't even turn my computer on"

Tech:
"Oh, well first check to see if the power plug is in all the way"

Guy:
"I dunno it'll be kind of hard, I'm on a phone with a coord because the power went out"

Tech: -Click-

Oh I feel for my friends who work in Tech support (one of which told me this story).

My babble meter tells me I should wrap the post up right . . . about . . . now. [addsig]



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Posted by matt on Tue Feb 17th at 5:01pm 2004

"Art is the expression of raw human emotion"

Art is what you want it to be, and for loop art is just another example of how technology and art are coming together.

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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Tue Feb 17th at 5:07pm 2004

Art:
http://mystudios.com/art/bar/velazquez/velazquez-las-meninas.jpg

Not Art:
http://www.columbia.edu/~pay1/pix/pollock-lavendermist2.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=rothko
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Posted by matt on Tue Feb 17th at 5:14pm 2004

In your opinion, yes. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 17th at 8:39pm 2004

Matt, actually it's Oxfords opinion as well lol.

Also, is that your own definition, if it isn't, or is, what does it mean by 'raw'? And why is 'raw' human emotion art any different then normal art? I mean, almost every artist out there doesn't give a s**t about something they've done and it could look amazingly beautiful, are you saying that since the artist didn't put any 'raw' emotion into, its not art?

What we're trying to say is that, dude, this isn't art just because you do some incrementing in a loop and slap it out to the screen. I mean, Jesus, if that were true I've been creating Picasso loops for 2 years. And we all know that's not true, so, you can guess what the conclusion is.

Also, in my opinion, one of the most difficult arts would have to be architecture. I mean, think about it, it's something that can make you stand in awe. It's also something that physically protects you (is suppose to anyway).

I think I'm weird; I appreciate the wrong things lol.
I personally don't give a s**t about the Vatican; however, I think that some local architecture is beautiful (Pioneer Square, in downtown Portland for one). I think I have a thing for glass lol . . . not broken of course.

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That first link, Hornpipe put up has lead many "historians" to believe that family did nothing but imbreed, because of the obvious childrens downsyndrome.
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[EDIT2]
also, I forgot to mention up there, I never said making mathmatical equations (in this case that isn't what you're doing) isn't art, it's just right now you're only rotating an image . . . ooo lol. If you actually had to do quite a big of thinking to plan how an image would come out, rather then it being random, it would mean much more, and are these for loops from your 'raw human emotion'?
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Posted by Monqui on Tue Feb 17th at 8:43pm 2004

I actually like Pollock's works... [addsig]



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Posted by matt on Tue Feb 17th at 9:07pm 2004

While the creative juices were wet, I made this one (can be a bit laggy on slow computers due to the fact its animated)

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/matt/flash/rings.swf

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