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Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Aug 30th at 9:29am 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Aug 30th at 9:29am 2009
Here is my first attempt at modeling some flora. To save time I used a modified version of a Half-Life 2 Episode 2 texture. I won't be using this model for anything, its just practice as I'd like to model various weedy growth and some Eucalyptus trees for Night Terror. Let me know what you guys think.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by G4MER on Sun Aug 30th at 9:58am 2009
Posted by G4MER on Sun Aug 30th at 9:58am 2009
Looks good to me. I'd use it.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by reaper47 on Sun Aug 30th at 12:57pm 2009
Posted by reaper47 on Sun Aug 30th at 12:57pm 2009
Looks good indeed.
I always found that modeling nature (especially trees) is among the most difficult things to do.
I always found that modeling nature (especially trees) is among the most difficult things to do.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Riven on Sun Aug 30th at 1:52pm 2009
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Posted by Riven on Sun Aug 30th at 1:52pm 2009
Looks pretty darn good to me!
I think I would have set each layer row a little closer together and rounded off the corners so that it minimizes the chances of seeing the straight-on side view of the thinness of the polygons.
But other than that, I don't see why you wouldn't use it. Maybe create your own skin to make it completely yours.
I think I would have set each layer row a little closer together and rounded off the corners so that it minimizes the chances of seeing the straight-on side view of the thinness of the polygons.
But other than that, I don't see why you wouldn't use it. Maybe create your own skin to make it completely yours.
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Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by haymaker on Sun Aug 30th at 4:07pm 2009
Posted by haymaker on Sun Aug 30th at 4:07pm 2009
Nice one Aaron. I'd use it too, are you gonna release it? ( And how much $ for an arbutus tree 
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Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 31st at 7:31am 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Mon Aug 31st at 7:31am 2009
Ah thanks guys. 
Yeah I reckon, but this was actually quite easy to do.
What I did was create a rectangular prism length 128, height 64, width 1 with 4 horizontal/vertical "segments" so each face was cut 4 times horizontally and vertically. Once I removed the polygons on the sides (leaving only the front and back face), I essentially had the equivalent of two displacement surfaces back to back. I moved the vertexes around a bit to make it bumpy and applied the UV map to it. I then duplicated that object and moved/rotated it.
That was for the main part, I did that same process to the grass like growth on the sides of the model except I duplicated it more times and the rectangular prism was alot smaller (I think it was height 48, length 16, width 1).
Ah, good idea, I'll be sure to do that next time.
Yeah for sure, the next one I make I'll use my own texture. I actually started to make my own texture but it was taking along time and I wasn't concerned what texture I used for this practice model. If I had a better source photo it would have been much quicker, I think I'll take my own photo next time.
Well I wasn't going to but I guess I could upload it as a download here.
Hehe, I don't think I'm quite close to modeling a decent tree yet but when I am I guess I could make a free one for you. But if you want one now you can always buy one from somewhere like Turbo Squid and compile it for the Source engine.
Quoting "reaper47"
I always found that modeling nature (especially trees) is among the most difficult things to do.
Yeah I reckon, but this was actually quite easy to do.
What I did was create a rectangular prism length 128, height 64, width 1 with 4 horizontal/vertical "segments" so each face was cut 4 times horizontally and vertically. Once I removed the polygons on the sides (leaving only the front and back face), I essentially had the equivalent of two displacement surfaces back to back. I moved the vertexes around a bit to make it bumpy and applied the UV map to it. I then duplicated that object and moved/rotated it.
That was for the main part, I did that same process to the grass like growth on the sides of the model except I duplicated it more times and the rectangular prism was alot smaller (I think it was height 48, length 16, width 1).
Quoting "Riven"
I think I would have set each layer row a little closer together and rounded off the corners so that it minimizes the chances of seeing the straight-on side view of the thinness of the polygons.
Ah, good idea, I'll be sure to do that next time.
Quoting "Riven"
Maybe create your own skin to make it completely yours.
Yeah for sure, the next one I make I'll use my own texture. I actually started to make my own texture but it was taking along time and I wasn't concerned what texture I used for this practice model. If I had a better source photo it would have been much quicker, I think I'll take my own photo next time.
Quoting "haymaker"
are you gonna release it?
Well I wasn't going to but I guess I could upload it as a download here.
Quoting "haymaker"
And how much $ for an arbutus tree
Hehe, I don't think I'm quite close to modeling a decent tree yet but when I am I guess I could make a free one for you. But if you want one now you can always buy one from somewhere like Turbo Squid and compile it for the Source engine.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Finger on Wed Sep 2nd at 5:29pm 2009
Posted by Finger on Wed Sep 2nd at 5:29pm 2009
Looks good - What modeling program did you use?
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Riven on Thu Sep 3rd at 3:04am 2009
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Posted by Riven on Thu Sep 3rd at 3:04am 2009
Looks like 3DS MAX from the looks of his taskbar programs in the first image.
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Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Thu Sep 3rd at 6:01am 2009
Yep, 3ds Max 9.
I made a new one yesterday. It's basically the same thing except longer and taller and more bushier plus I added flowers. I'll upload it as a download here some time tonight.
Posted by Le Chief on Thu Sep 3rd at 6:01am 2009
Quoting Riven
Looks like 3DS MAX from the looks of his taskbar programs in the first image.
Yep, 3ds Max 9.
I made a new one yesterday. It's basically the same thing except longer and taller and more bushier plus I added flowers. I'll upload it as a download here some time tonight.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Sep 3rd at 2:38pm 2009
Posted by reaper47 on Thu Sep 3rd at 2:38pm 2009
I might be getting old, but a polycount of 460 strikes me as a little high for a model like this?
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Crollo on Thu Sep 3rd at 7:52pm 2009
High poly indeed, for such a simple model, if you look closely he has modeled a couple\bunch of small little leaves, which is nice, but i really think you might wanna optimize it a little.
Also what version of max are you using, just wondering :>
EDIT: Hey, uh, do you by any tiny chance have any experience texturing cars?
Posted by Crollo on Thu Sep 3rd at 7:52pm 2009
Quoting reaper47
I might be getting old, but a polycount of 460 strikes me as a little high for a model like this?
High poly indeed, for such a simple model, if you look closely he has modeled a couple\bunch of small little leaves, which is nice, but i really think you might wanna optimize it a little.
Also what version of max are you using, just wondering :>
EDIT: Hey, uh, do you by any tiny chance have any experience texturing cars?
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Thu Sep 3rd at 11:58pm 2009
Perhaps, but considering that computers are more powerful now than what they where in 2004 and the fact this model is 325 units long and 110 high, I'm not terribly uncomfortable with the polycount.
I've optimized the model as much as possible and the majority of polygons actually come from those side shoots. I think I might actually decrease the amount of polygons on the side shoots (the mapping equivalent of decreasing the 'power' of a displacement) because the side shoots look flat anyway.
I'm using 3ds Max 9, I don't think it's the latest version anymore. After 3ds Max 9, they started naming them in years eg. 3ds Max 2009.
I don't, I think I could texture a car though.
Posted by Le Chief on Thu Sep 3rd at 11:58pm 2009
Quoting reaper47
I might be getting old, but a polycount of 460 strikes me as a little high for a model like this?
Perhaps, but considering that computers are more powerful now than what they where in 2004 and the fact this model is 325 units long and 110 high, I'm not terribly uncomfortable with the polycount.
I've optimized the model as much as possible and the majority of polygons actually come from those side shoots. I think I might actually decrease the amount of polygons on the side shoots (the mapping equivalent of decreasing the 'power' of a displacement) because the side shoots look flat anyway.
Quoting "yodalman"
Also what version of max are you using, just wondering :>
I'm using 3ds Max 9, I don't think it's the latest version anymore. After 3ds Max 9, they started naming them in years eg. 3ds Max 2009.
Quoting "yodalman"
Hey, uh, do you by any tiny chance have any experience texturing cars?
I don't, I think I could texture a car though.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Sep 4th at 1:45pm 2009
Yea, that's what I meant.
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Sep 4th at 1:45pm 2009
Quoting aaron_da_killa
I think I might actually decrease the amount of polygons on the side shoots (the mapping equivalent of decreasing the 'power' of a displacement) because the side shoots look flat anyway.
Yea, that's what I meant.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Sep 5th at 12:32am 2009
Yea, that's what I meant.
Ah righto.
What do you guys think about the flowers? Should they stay?
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Sep 5th at 12:32am 2009
Quoting reaper47
Quoting aaron_da_killa
I think I might actually decrease the amount of polygons on the side shoots (the mapping equivalent of decreasing the 'power' of a displacement) because the side shoots look flat anyway.
Yea, that's what I meant.
Ah righto.
What do you guys think about the flowers? Should they stay?
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Riven on Sat Sep 5th at 2:31am 2009
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Posted by Riven on Sat Sep 5th at 2:31am 2009
Flowers are a good addition. I don't see a reason why you should get rid of them.
BTW, what resolution are you using for that texture?
BTW, what resolution are you using for that texture?
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Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Sep 5th at 4:16am 2009
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Sep 5th at 4:16am 2009
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by reaper47 on Sat Sep 5th at 6:50pm 2009
I like the flowers.
Generally, though, I'd take a real-world photograph of a nature scenery (some scrubs etc) and rebuild it quite accurately. Not just mixing random pictures of leafs with an alpha channel (to be fair, I don't know whether you did that ).
It's the kind of little detail you notice subconsciously. If you have doubts about the flower (as I, on some level, have as well), you're probably thinking "does a plant like that have flowers"? Flowers that big?
If you have a natural reference you always have the a perfect look-up and don't have to worry.
Posted by reaper47 on Sat Sep 5th at 6:50pm 2009
Quoting aaron_da_killa
What do you guys think about the flowers? Should they stay?
I like the flowers.
Generally, though, I'd take a real-world photograph of a nature scenery (some scrubs etc) and rebuild it quite accurately. Not just mixing random pictures of leafs with an alpha channel (to be fair, I don't know whether you did that
). It's the kind of little detail you notice subconsciously. If you have doubts about the flower (as I, on some level, have as well), you're probably thinking "does a plant like that have flowers"? Flowers that big?
If you have a natural reference you always have the a perfect look-up and don't have to worry.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Sep 6th at 1:56am 2009
Basically what I did was browse CG Textures and Google for a decent photo I could make into a texture and when I realized it was taking too long I decided to open up the various gcf files I had containing materials and found a Half-Life 2 Episode 2 texture that was similar to what I wanted and I used that.
For the second iteration of the model, I thought I'd just toss in the flowers for something different. The model isn't really based on any particular plant in real life although I should really get my act together and model a real plant.
For this practice model, I was alot more focused on the model itself and not on the texture but as I'm starting to think I might actually be able to make something usable I'm starting to think about the texture more.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted by Le Chief on Sun Sep 6th at 1:56am 2009
Quoting reaper47
Not just mixing random pictures of leafs with an alpha channel (to be fair, I don't know whether you did that ).
).Basically what I did was browse CG Textures and Google for a decent photo I could make into a texture and when I realized it was taking too long I decided to open up the various gcf files I had containing materials and found a Half-Life 2 Episode 2 texture that was similar to what I wanted and I used that.
For the second iteration of the model, I thought I'd just toss in the flowers for something different. The model isn't really based on any particular plant in real life although I should really get my act together and model a real plant.
For this practice model, I was alot more focused on the model itself and not on the texture but as I'm starting to think I might actually be able to make something usable I'm starting to think about the texture more.
Quoting "reaper47"
It's the kind of little detail you notice subconsciously. If you have doubts about the flower (as I, on some level, have as well), you're probably thinking "does a plant like that have flowers"? Flowers that big?
If you have a natural reference you always have the a perfect look-up and don't have to worry.
If you have a natural reference you always have the a perfect look-up and don't have to worry.
My thoughts exactly.
Re: First Attempt At Flora
Posted by Riven on Mon Sep 7th at 4:57pm 2009
Very good point Reap! -I second that!
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Posted by Riven on Mon Sep 7th at 4:57pm 2009
Quoting reaper47
If you have a natural reference you always have the a perfect look-up and don't have to worry.
Very good point Reap! -I second that!
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