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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 11:11am 2004


try THIS

not only does it do jpgs, but gifs and png's as well.

it adds captions for those who want to add a footnote to their pics.

it has come to my attention at PFL, that the PNG photo image is superior in some ways to a JPG when posting images for website purposes (and this qualifies i think).

PNG's have excellent compression, and better quality in some cases than JPG's do.

best of all PSP can convert them.

hope this helps.

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Crono on Thu Jan 22nd at 11:20am 2004


Yes, PNG is an excellent format.
I always forget to use PNGs instead of JPGs though. [addsig]




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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Leperous on Thu Jan 22nd at 11:54am 2004


Well I'd use it if it didn't stick a XAT logo in the corner :/



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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 12:15pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
Well I'd use it if it didn't stick a XAT logo in the corner :/

It does?

where?

ORIGINAL

EDITED FIRST ROUND

EDITED SECOND TIME

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 12:55pm 2004


I do NOT want to get caught promoting defective programs, here or at PFL, so if there is something that needs addressed lep, show me.

(yes i know the first pic was large, it was only posted for comparative purposes, i will remove it if its very important i do so)

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Leperous on Thu Jan 22nd at 12:56pm 2004


Hmm, well before it put some small text saying 'xat.com' in the corner of my images- but it was the shareware version!



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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 1:00pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
Hmm, well before it put some small text saying 'xat.com' in the corner of my images- but it was the shareware version!

arrg, you could be correct, i was stupid and downloaded the newer version this morning, not realizing i had an older one already.

i am unsure that if i click on the icon, if it is accessing the newer, or older program, even though i do in fact have both icons.

you could be correct

lemme see if i can confirm my versions.

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by matt on Thu Jan 22nd at 1:00pm 2004


Being the great guy I am, I just imprt images into Flash and then add text/effects as I please. Then export. Done.

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 1:07pm 2004


Sadly Lep, you are correct.

the good news is, the caption is tiny, and can be cropped with PSP, but if you can do that then you have PSP and don't need this program... or do you? can someone verify that xat optimise's an image better than PSP?

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Jinx on Thu Jan 22nd at 1:45pm 2004


I dunno, you can use pretty much any image editing program (Paint?!) to convert your image to jpg and resize it to 640x480. That alone should get the filesize within reason.

I am loaning filespace to some Action UT2k3 mappers, I need to explain to them that you need to use JPGs not GIFs ffs, 1-2mb screenshots are ridiculous





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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 1:52pm 2004


? posted by Jinx

I dunno, you can use pretty much any image editing program (Paint?!) to convert your image to jpg and resize it to 640x480. That alone should get the filesize within reason.

if, as you mention its so easy, why do so many fail?

? posted by Jinx

I am loaning filespace to some Action UT2k3 mappers, I need to explain to them that you need to use JPGs not GIFs ffs, 1-2mb screenshots are ridiculous

points up to previous quote.

my condolences to your misery :/

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by nooba on Thu Jan 22nd at 2:09pm 2004


I use ACDSee to compress my images

http://www.acdsystems.com/





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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Dr Brasso on Thu Jan 22nd at 2:21pm 2004


i dont know what the image sizes are in Xat, but in PSP, an 800x600 jpg lands at around 45-55 kb for me, but then again, im special...

Doc B...

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 2:26pm 2004


? posted by Dr Brasso

iim special...

Doc B...

yeah, i noticed the forehead too, but being the respectable individual i am, i didn't mention it till you did.. it is rather large.

and xat will produce a 25k to 80k image at 800x600

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Dr Brasso on Thu Jan 22nd at 2:32pm 2004


ouch....welcome back, you old fart...

Doc Brass...





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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Jinx on Thu Jan 22nd at 7:19pm 2004


neat avatar, Brasso

I usually use 640x480, then run it once through the 'sharpen' filter in Photoshop and save at about 6-8 quality. I kinda like that, because it keeps the screenshot smaller but the sharpen helps retain detail and makes it look crisp. That's usually around 80-100k I think, though I am usually willing to sacrifice some filesize for quality if I'm showing something off.





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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 8:24pm 2004


my opinion is, whatever it takes to get a file size down to under 100k is mighty fine.

with that said, people usually don't even bother to experiment or even attempt a new program because... they either feel their expensive program already does it all, or the new one isn't expensive enough to bother with.

i have found that, PSP8 and PS7 are extremely similar and do almost the same thing in producing a smallish file size, but i have also found that xat produces a still smaller file size with high levels of quality, when you combine its magi-compression with the jpg optimizer, both found in the jpg optimizer program.. i have found little advantage to the image optimizer EXCEPT its ability to do more than jpg conversions and its text addition ability.

end results is what matters guys, i can have an 800x600 high quality image at extremely small files, while you are stuck with your 640x480 ones at the same file sizes as mine.

the choice seems easy, but.....

bottom line, i will notice images over 100k, and will point them out anytime i feel they are unwarranted, if you want to fight about it then, so be it, but I'd rather have harmony now about it.

be good

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Jinx on Thu Jan 22nd at 9:03pm 2004


I think it depends on what you are doing images for, too. if I am showing a few pics of a map to show it off, I'll make sure they are really good quality even if the filesizes are slightly higher. If I am using a bunch of pics to show someone a bug in a map etc., I will use smaller images (320x240 even) and lower quality.

Anyway, as long as people aren't posting anything ridiculously huge, or too many at once, I don't think it's that big a deal...





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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 22nd at 9:52pm 2004


? posted by Jinx

Anyway, as long as people aren't posting anything ridiculously huge, or too many at once, I don't think it's that big a deal...

this about sums it all up

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Re: Image Editing
Posted by Dr Brasso on Fri Jan 23rd at 1:26am 2004


post summary....

im hoping Leps got unlimited webspace, cause im thinkin\' hes got one on the line here... his call on quality vs quality vs quantity....bottom line.

Doc B...

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