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 Re: CS: Placing entities/objects from other maps
Posted by DocBadwrench on Wed Jan 19th at 4:44pm 2005

First of all, thanks to all for the help I've received thus far. I'm really enjoying editing in Hammer and look forward to flexing those map-makin' muscles soon.

To that end, I have a problem: I would like to import those large, static wooden crates that I've seen in the official maps (ie - cbble, dust2). The problem is that I can't find it in the existing set of entities. As I type this right now (at work, one evening removed from my work...) I realize that they might just be simple block-brushes with the appropriate texture applied.

At any rate, I'm going to assume that this issue will materialize for other things that I'd like to import, so it wouldn't hurt to know the answer I have already encountered the fact that when you specify the game type (HL2, HL2MP, or CS:S) that it then limits your access to textures to that particular game type. When switching my map type from a HL2MP map to CS:S, I encountered the purple & black checkerboard funkiness. Now, I'm simply working in CS:S mode since that's the danged map type I'm trying to make anyway.

Okay, so to boil this down: Say I want to grab an entity or an item built of brushes from another map (which I wouldn't have the texture for in my basic config?). How would I make sure that the appropriate texture/entity info is attached to my map? Referring back to my earlier attempt, I imported a number of entities into the newly reconfigured CS:S map, but they wouldn't show up. For example, a bunch of my breakable boxes (the long, double-wide ones) were "in-game" (I could bump into them and what not), but they were invisible... until I destroyed them and the pieces visibly fell to the ground.

I hope that my semi-coherent ramblings are understandable Thanks in advance for your help.




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Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Jan 19th at 5:27pm 2005

You cannot use mod-specific textures and models in other mods than the original. Well, you could convert the textures and place them into the other mod, but that's very hard. It will also cause distibution problems since the avedrage gamer doesn't know where to put all the customized files required to run the map. Always set the right game type before running hammer to avoid those problems.

If you realy want to import that item, i'd recomend you to re-texture it after you copied it over. After all - there are A LOT of textures availible so you shouldn't have any problems to find one that suits that item just as good as the old one.

You don't have to worry about the entity information, hammer will copy it too.

You also mentioned that you would like to create the crates found in diffrent cs:s maps. Well it's not that hard realy, just make a block and texture it like a crate. But if you realy realy would like to make a crate just like that one in de_dust for example, make a prop_static point entity and in the field "world model" enter: "models/props/de_dust/du_crate_64x64.mdl" without the ".
If you browse around there you'll find more standard models that you can use in your map.

Good Luck and happy mapping!
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Posted by DocBadwrench on Wed Jan 19th at 5:36pm 2005

Thanks for the tip, RaPtoR. I'm definitely interested in *only* creating a map at this point, not modding. Since I'm very new, I don't want to bite off more than I can chew

Thanks to your help, I've got it pretty well drilled into my head: Textures are specific to the game type. Now, what about object entities? I haven't noticed any difference between the object types between HL2 and CS:S. Is that right?




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Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Jan 19th at 5:41pm 2005

Yes thats correct. As i said, browse around in the "world models" to see them. You can see all the CS:s specific objects in the models/props/ folder. The rest of the models are shared with HL2.
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Posted by DocBadwrench on Wed Jan 19th at 5:54pm 2005

I'm quite sure that by the end of my first map, I should have a better handle on how the Hammer file-system works. In the mean time, I'll stumble around with occasional illumination from you pros.

Thanks, man!





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